Rainbow Six Siege is CHANGING Forever... - Y8S4 Operation Deep Freeze
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Funny thing about this gadget, realistically it should outright break ace’s cans while not affecting thermite at all
ace could use something fucking him over
If anything realistically thermite should counter him
His canisters are so cold that they freeze time is the only explanation
creating a problem and then solving it?
If they potentially buff the new op this is a interesting way.
I love how they make these changes, but completely ignore that they made thatcher useless and refuse to make his actual kit more than Literally just the emp other kits can swap for
I personally think that the kali change towards mira should’ve always been the thing. I tried it when kali came out and my thought process was it’s a gadget that pierces and detonates both sides, therefore that explosion SHOULD pop the mira canister, but it didn’t. It made sense in my head so i personally welcome it, but the ash change tho, not as much. Sure it buries itself and then explodes kinda like the lance, but the lance is fundamentally different from ash’s charge.
Frags still accomplish a job: They force you to move. That’s still useful. If you throw a frag at the guy holding elbow on Oregon basement, assuming no denial, they HAVE to move, either risking a swing, losing the control, or get blown up. Frags are still good. Now they’re not objectively oppressive. I think this is one of the better ways they could’ve balanced them.
They're like counter strike grenades now: basically a big area of damage. Move away or eat damage.
Yo wtf are you doing bringing common sense and logic into the siege community? Here we just cry about every change even if it's beneficial to the game
It akes sence to make them just like the other throwables too, so i like it.
And to the people that are saying they could have balanced it other ways. The frag grenades part of the video actually has solutions they tried and why they didn't implement them. Pause the video at 10.02 to read all the ways they tried to balance frags and why they chucked them out
*stays exactly the same*
Siege... Siege never changes.
@@kirbyis4ever only evolves.
@@infall_blackmetalexactly
@@infall_blackmetalyeah, because it takes a million years
@@kirbyis4ever ID-tagged operators carry ID-tagged ACOGs…
I think Fenrir’s ban rate on both PC and console is indicative of how annoying his gadget is. And on top of that, he has a great primary and a soft destruction secondary. Too much upside for one op if you ask me
grenades needed changed. ANY instance in siege where you pick certain operators solely because of ONE thing that gives an unfair advantage (jaeger acog, warden 1.5) has always proven to be unrealistically unfair. i think this change puts grenades in the exact spot that they shouldve been day 1 - utility clearing and POTENTIAL kills, not free guaranteed kills.
Gone are the days of seeing the cracked Sledge on the enemy team for 2 frames as they perfectly cook a made to explode in your face. People literally got too skilled at nades LOL
Yeah that's absolutely true, I think what they did is great They could've gone for the realistic approach too, where frags grenades bring a whole lot of killing in a big ass range but not much destruction but since their target was mainly the killing potential and not the destruction I guess it wouldn't have made much sense
fair point.
Agree 100%
@@goncasn8161Speaking of realisim, I think the change is more realistic cause nobody IRL is gonna hold a lethal explosive fuze in their hands. I've never been in the military, but I'm pretty confident that "cooking" grenades doesn't happen. Also, you cant "cook" any other nades (like stun grenades) so why should operators suddenly be able to let go of the lever on frag grenades.
For Frags, in theory could one shoot open the first layer of floor boards above them and try to tuck the nade in between the floor boards? It wouldn't be nearly as potent as the "Surprise, nade from below" aspect, but I am wondering if this could be done.
You definitely could and I have done it before but with the new 2 sec impact fuse, if you mess it up your gonna have a grenade fly right back at you and blow up quickly
@@Janky_Banana 2 sec is plenty of time to move, especially if you move right aftee throwing. You don't have to watch it and sit still. Besides you would probably have to throw it at an angle anyway to get it inbetween the floor boards. I just am not sure how practical it is to set all that up
Not sure about the commando nerf but I’m liking the other changes especially the evil eye one
That one leaves sort of a bad taste in my mouth the gun is very middle ground not too strong not too weak to be nerfed
@@bountybar6125 zero recoil with a 2-3 shot kill decent firerate? On 2 three speed ops is fucking gross. Even the stats look meh but in game that shit is insane.
@@asherdempster4992 neither grim or iq is massively overpowered. heck, grim is one of the lower side of pick/ win rate. dont really think he needed a nerf. util for both of them is pretty mid, so a solid gun is nice to round them out. fire rate is pretty low too.
@@asherdempster4992 why dont they nerf capito's gun and zero's gun then? imo they should have just removed the extended on the commando if they wanted to nerf it
@@asherdempster4992why didnt they just remove the extended barrel tho? Unisoft was talking all that stuff about giving players a choice. Yet they change the base damage to 42 which makes it a SHIT assault rifle stat wise. It was already mid tier before but now its shit tier without the extended barrel. They wanted to give us a choice but now the extended barrel is a must pick on that gun to not make it absolutely shit. Ubisoft has no clue how to balance
I am so shocked to see those pick rate charts. I’ve been playing this game for a while now and seeing that there isn’t really a mole to whack is crazy.
Them buffing ash against mira is insane.
Osa will be interesting with frags. The claymore works very well with her gadget as a makeshift doorway trap so it’ll be a tough choice depending on the site.
Cant wait to get em juicy maestro cams as brava
This Maestro change is a massive buff to Brava 🙏
17:59 This. This is gospel.
The part I’m surprised no one’s mentioning is the marketplace and they’re proposing being able to pick a specific map to play on in Standard
I think the frag grenade nerf is good. I always thought it was crazy that attackers with frags could cook it perfectly & kill defenders from below, seemed real OP because there's almost no good way to counter that. Also, it really influences pick rate on attackers with frags. Good change.
Considering Fuze and his pucks, those nades are extremely powerful by all accounts. No warning, no way to counter/deal with it, and if your dedicated roamer isn't constantly sweeping the lower floor, your teammates become an easy pick.
I think that nades were a problem only from below, this changes completely the nades functionality… I don’t know, I don’t like it….
Greg you need to start having a glass of wine before every video, this zesty loosey goosey Greg hit different🥴
I thought you were quitting siege?
you can still play shooting range, as far as im aware, you just have to go the indirect route through the op customization menu
This patch is actually really solid except that they nerfed sledge and grim unintentionally without making it up for them at all
At this point, it almost seems like Ubi wants people to pivot away from Sledge with how weaker his kit keeps getting.
19:21 Gregor is a legend!
I play quickplay a lot and i realllly hate that they aren't reverting the quickplay 2.0 changes, at least the sites being visible from the start part. Quick play is so ass with sites being visible from the start.
From a realism point of view, which I know it's not the most important thing since siege isn't a realistic shooter but still, cooking the granades without the safety spool being removed is not possible, the fuze is supposed to start once that spool is removed. This is why games like insurgency sandstorm have that mechanic built in. You can either throw a grenade with just the pin removed, or you can cook the granades by removing the spool but once you remove the spool there's no turning back (because of logic and realism). I figure this is the best middle ground that ubi should implement.
ok, so here's a question: if frag grenades are becoming the premier anchor displacement tool and so many operators are getting them, what the hell is the point of capitao anymore?
I like this type of video. Feels like we all just chilling shooting the shit.
Also, you should certainly enjoy the wine, always, when covering designer notes. :)
Op idea. Sticking with attacker theme of vertical plays as of late, an attacker op with a deployable half camera half mine gadget. Op gets 2-4 mines, one side is a mine dealing X amount of damage that activates on defender movement; other side is an emp camera with one shot. Deployed into destroyable floors and ceilings (and maybe walls???). Mine detonating does not destroy the cam. Gets Vigil's primary gun with up to 2x scope or French shotgun, and P226 (or maybe machine pistol??). Stuns or can opener or claymores for secondary gadets. 2 speed.
maestro buff is really sick. everyone has forgotten about the menace that is the alda, but it might be time for a comeback. also, wholeheartedly agree with the points on frags. ubisoft is finally (somewhat) working towards a specific game design philosophy with siege, and old frags just didnt fit into it.
Loving the Maestro change
Will there be a post plant podcast episode soon?
IQ gets frags back so I’m really happy with that. I use all 3 of her primaries, so I’m not too concerned about the 552 and I can probably adjust to the recoil. I’m still disappointed by casual 2.0. Ubi should definitely not be feeling confident about that one.
the only thing that really upsets me about the grenade changes is losing the ability to kamikaze rush someone while holding one
🤣 thats fair
I think Ubisoft's real goal was just to nerf Evan Braddock with removing the kamikaze grenades, anything else is an excuse 😤
dude I haven't seen anything about this game in 4 years. I kinda wanna get back to it just to check how hard nostalgia would kick me
13:46 I’ve been saying that since Sens released He needs super shorty
Hey Gregor I have a video idea I have regarding cheaters and I was wondering your opinion on if Ubisoft were to do banwaves every 6 months what would happen?
Why would you hold bans and wait for waves
@@matan6737 Cause that makes it harder for cheat makers to identify what is wrong with their program.
Glad to see I’m not the only one who gets acid reflux from wine
What do you do for work?
They should have just made it for you can’t nade from below. But Ubi is too lazy to rework the physics
Didn’t you say this last time a new update came in? And the one before that? And the one before that?
Im just pumped about a new map
Having things in the game that add completely and raise the skill ceiling is good. Removing those things are bad. What they should do is keep the fuze the way it was and add an operator that can couter the frags from below. Maybe deployable metal mats you can place on the floor. Taking away emps is not good, they should go to other operators or have both on the operators that get frags.
Been playing a good amount of capital the last 6 to 8 weeks. He really can do so much its insane
They literally just could’ve reduced soft surface damage or EVEN OVERALL DAMAGE of nades.
@@LazTheTurtle it takes time to do💀, if it happens once you can anticipate it happening again instead of just instantly dying
Bullet proof cams just got a lot stronger now that frags can't really destroy them
Reason why the Commando got nerfed is with extended barrel it was at 51. The most damage in the game.
Tachanka, Zero and Maverick do the same thing and they remain untouched
The ops that it was on weren't really fragging operators, it added to their support role when playing on rappel
@@D-Doc-Ctachanka is warranted since his gun fires so slow - Maverick and Zero though? No clue, they both shoot FASTER than the commando too. Maybe because IQ has her nades to be more lethal now and Grim is a strong dedicated killer.
@@D-Doc-Cmaverick doesn't though as he does 49 so extended doesn't give him any new break points so it's useless
Brava and Capitao: Grins in 52 damage laser beam
My only issue with mira change is that it’s given to the most used attack op instead of a lesser used one. Like maybe a zero, or zof, Flores. Overal a okay thing. With potential both ways.
To be fair, those gadgets don't really drill. They did specify it's a drilling gadget
@@muchluck7981 Not drilling specifically, just giving those ops the ability to shatter Mira window.
@@jamerson4967 That's the thing. the wording is only for drilling gadgets. That means that unless they change Zero's gadget to drilling it wouldn't be able to break through Mira's window. Zof and Flores breaking mira's gadget with their own gadgets would be a bit too much IMO As much as it would be nice to give other ops ways to break Mira's window, it would be too severe of a nerf honestly. At least with Ash using her gadget is fine because it can be stalled with wamai/jager and Kali got quite the buff since if I remember right, Ash's gadget should fail when hitting electrified surfaces while Kali's doesn't, meaning that if Ash sees a Mira window on an electrified wall it should destroy itself immediately but the same is not true for Kali
@@muchluck7981 zero gadget makes the most sense of the ones I listed. As he can “drill “to the other side. Why it isn’t a drill gadget Doesn’t make sense. My concern is cuz ash is the most played op on attack. By making her the op to counter Mira she’s gonna be played countered just about every game. Ash is also the poster child of the Run in gun meta we are in and giving her the counter doesn’t sit well with me. On a lesser used op like those mention or others would make more sense.
@@jamerson4967 That is the thing we wonder. Maybe they don't want Zero being used that way as while that would be cool, they don't want Zero to suddenly use his utility to destroy mira windows. remember he has 4 of those cameras so that means that with a jager/wamai combo, they would need to dedicate all their utility just to protect the mira window, excluding the use of flashbangs. As for Ash, I don't think you need to worry about that. the change will mainly affect mira windows that are directly facing objectives and playing ADS/Mag-nets would be the obvious counter to Ash. combo with the grenade changes and I feel that this will be a proper test for Mira mains and their window placement. also Ash is not as popular on PC so it may be more of a console issue
Love me some maestro love! Lmg go brrr, barbed, baliff and now even more intel? I love this. Maestro is one of my favorites before this change, but now?
Does cap still have hard breaches too??
The Maestro change is massive i love that. Mirra doesn't bother me i understand it. Hate the nerf to the commando and not fond of Grim losing his breaching charge, i think Grim is going to drop in the picks again now.
Omg its gregor :o!!!????😮😮😮😮
When you said Deep Freeze for some unknown reason I thought of deep fried...
Nerfs the commando Me a gigachad G8 enjoyer, oh no anyway
Warden mains never left. Blitz will never recover :(
Maestro elite this season guranteed
Don't forget blackboard rework is coming in year 9
I didn't know Maestro needed a buff. I always thought he was strong, I'm not complaining I'll enjoy the extra camera.
He fell off the map with the release of Brava. The Alda is fire but his cams are so underwhelming with them being so fragile to all the options the attackers have to destroy it.
I feel like with the new op it should completely stop ace and hibana, but only slow thermites down to a reasonable pace since thermite burns so hot
He freezes time itself.
When you isolate the SG552 than ye, this gun has 10 more rounds than the FAL Para and has less recoil for 1 less damage point. You also could make a case for Grims weapon needing some tuning since can passively spot enemies and then just laser them though walls or something. I can see the reasoning behind it But IQ? Christ almighty noone picks her and the only reason for picking her is the SIG (appart from the my fellow AUG enjoyers out there) so there are even less reasons now to play IQ
I remember when SENS was going to change the game.
I've been tryna explain to my girl why mira will be fine ever since we saw the patch notes. Mira will be just fine and you've expressed what I'm tryna get through to her for a day or so now.
Maestro gang rise up!
Now you will want to have bandit or kaid for keeping mira up
They didn't really communicate it well, but Ash charges have been immune to electricity since more or less when the gonne-6 came out to put them in line with Zofia and the gonne-6
I really vibe with the Maestro change, and I think IQ getting her frags back (even with the cook nerf) is pretty interesting. Though, I was thinking Ubi should give Fenrir a small QOL "nerf", since players seem to not want to play against him. They should make his mines glow (similar to a Reyna blind in Valorant) when you get blinded, so you have an easier time figuring out where to shoot, instead of trying to look through the purple smoke with only a directional indicator.
I think the Mira changes make sense but I think she should’ve gotten some sort of compensation to account for this and it doesn’t even have to be big like a 1.5 but making her a 2 armor would’ve been fine
All I want is to make it so ash charges cannot penetrate and electrified Mirror. Her Ash charged being unaffected by electricity is counter-intuitive.
4:35 im sorry that was just funny to me
So not a single comment about the them/they part when talking bout Sens?!
IQ emps. Do it ubi
Oh you’re going over the patchnotes. Came here for the clickbaity title and thumbnail. Also had a long workday.
i just want ubi to just make the yokai drones and gui mines cloaked again😕
The cooked nade ceiling kill was a bit cheese imo. Not sad to see it go.
I wonder how it will effect comp as that was one of the best ways to start a push and gain momentum with a free pick. Probably go back to util meta as ubi has been trying to force people to coordinate their team gadget picks and not just bring 5 one man army ops
@@matttheradartechnician4308 Sounds good
Hows quitting siege? yeah thats what i thought
You are talking about kills with nades but you keep forgetting there are alot of scenarios where we use the nade from below to take the utility that feels really hard to remove, and the people who are saying its a good change i think it goes both ways. People who werent accurate with nades and people who could accurately nade, they are just removing the skill expression from the game the way. Removing 1 shot headshot wasnt the option but to make the game faster instead of keeping to make it slower, so if a guy is mechanically good he would feel good about it, now its not rewarding shit. Removing spawn peeks also the runouts
Does gregor have a job besides youtube
I remember when Glaz got frags instead of smokes (I think it was smokes?). It was so great that he became my main operator at the time
Ew you use glaz without smokes? You ain't a real glaz main, hmph
"AGHGHGHGHGGGHH THERE'S COUNTER PLAY?!" Oh my god does that sum up the state of competitive gaming rn. I don't even play siege anymore but you see this in Overwatch all the time. Anytime something is an effective counter to even an ABILITY, its just NOT FAIR.
Ive been getting a little bored of the games ive been playing lately. Maybe i need a little Siege to spice my life up again.
I wish they would rework IQ instead of making her worse man. I'm sure competitive players use her good but man she is useless to 90% of people myself included. I love her as an op and love her guns but good god does her ability just suck now, especially with quickplay 2.0 having sites revealed at start now. Vigil also seems kinda useless right now.
I think a better way to balance the grenades would have been to make the cook timer to be random so its a gamble to cook them.
I honestly think the frag changes are great. It's not ideal, but it accomplished a lot with balancing and gives them a unique place instead of a must pick. I think the only other way they could have balanced the cooking is to make it a range of how long it takes to blow (give or take a half second) so you could try to air detonate them, but not it's a risk/reward scenario. But i think the change they did is way simpler and easier for players to understand to. More intuitive.
Yeah but then that’s no longer a competitive mechanic, as total RNG on whether or not you die or the person you’re trying to kill dies. Bad game design
@@bradleydevoir6289 that’s the point tho. It discourages ppl from cooking it for so long so that they won’t have to deal with RNG. I honestly prefer this idea.
@@bradydean8570 I get what you’re saying. I think a lot of people would find this feature useless then, since they’d start whining about still not being able to cook nades into insta floor kills. I think it’s a cool idea but not practical and likely to cause more backlash
I think that the frag grenade change is a super healthy change. It doesn't diminish their usefulness, just eliminates the unfun ways people were using them. Dying to a floor nade was super unsatisfying and unfun. This new change allows them to keep their intended use (room clear) in a very nice, consistent way that I think will be a huge net positive for their balancing going forward. It also gives them more balance dials to play with. Nades not making people move enough? Decrease the timer by .25 seconds. People eating nades and surviving? Increase damage. It's a super promising change that I'm happy to see that should help increase game longevity. Plus, now you need to be strategic in their use again
Frags are essentially Halo 3 now. Im alright with this.
Why rook so high?
Cuz the extra health is insane and sites where you have the option to take a rook is usally on maps that dont require much util like Coast. Many of those times you go against a kali and render her useless. Pluss when paired with doc a heal puts you at 165 HP
Yall remember when acogs were considered op asf?
the grenade change is really a good thing. there was effectively no counter to grenade vert play and strategies like that are not good for game health. new op looks fun, new map looks great. really excited for this season
I want them to get rid of the ranked map pool. Every map should be playble in any mode. If you dont like the map ban it... I also think the enemy team should be able to see what map your banning and vice versa so that you can pick another one.
I mean the military trains personnel to throw it as soon as possible NEVER cook. there is one rule where they can "cook" for a maximum of 2 seconds when clearing indoors. So imo bouncing the nade to shorten fuse time is fair in comparison to real world applications. I feel like this change is good for the game. It removes the feel bads when say a lower skill player such as myself gets blown up by a nade from below. Yes, it is simplifying the game. But its already and still an extremally complicated game. The game is clearly intended to be a hero shooter. Grenades shouldn't be valued higher then the main gadget, because then what is the point of the main gadgets? I feel like its unreasonable to be upset by this change when looking at the big picture.
Even with the extra damage in the current commando build, it’s not to the point where it’s OP. If the damage was the issue, then that’s all they should’ve nerfed. Increasing the recoil is overkill. Lions current kit is perfect as it is, especially as a support character. They really shouldn’t have touched it and given frags to nomad instead.
I dont get the hate for the nade change. They are arguably the most powerful gadget attackers have at their disposal, when they are supposed to be on the same level of smokes and flashes. It only makes sence they are removinf what made nades so oppressive.
If casual 1.0 came back on top of improvements to ranked this would’ve been even better. But so far 7/10 patch notes. Also ash needs a speed nerf Gonne six needs should have two shots instead of one Nade change good
More nades means the gonne isn't as needed anyway since they mostly do the same job - the gonne just doesn't kill people and explodes instantly. It totally needs more shots to be useful though since grenades are abundant
They literally did nothing with these patch notes. The frags are a good change and Tubarao is really neat but holy shit this season is a repeat of last season. Nokk literally got even worse than she already is and frost of course, is still bad
Literally no matter what ubi would do to frags Ppl would still be mad removing cooking is actually pretty based Especially considering other ideas that they listed in the patch notes that weren’t implemented
W changes honestly
I don’t like it when non siege KZheadrs give their opinions on siege
are you insinuating gregor isnt a siege youtuber...? also why are you trying to gatekeep?
Didn't he say he would quit siege?