How To: 2x72 Belt Grinder Wiring Guide
2x72 Belt Grinder Wiring guide.
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Thank you very much for this detailed video! Just bought the KB vfd and will be wiring it tomorrow. I appreciate it.
Dude I bought a brodbeck 8 months ago and can’t for the life of me get it to work and I followed their instructions to a T I’ve even had two professional Electricians look at it and I’m pretty sure this is the exact set up thank goodness!
I know this is a year old, but a great step by step to set up my grinder I bought off you some 2 years ago, its going together great thanks to your step by step videos and instructions, buy the kit, you wont regret it, thanks Brian
Thank you Les!
2 years ago around now you helped me wire mine up over text. You are the best brian hope everything is good for you.
Hey Brother, ... Anyone that knows me will tell you that I'm not afraid of anything, but I'm not going to lie... Before I saw this video, I was shaking like a pooch pooping a pinecone!!! Now, I feel like I'm an "almost certified" electrician! Lol! Just ordered everything this weekend, and I can't wait for it to get here! Thanks Brian! You rock!!! .............😎👍🏻🔨🔥🗡️
I'm saving my nickels and dimes because I want one of those belt sanders. Guess I should stop buying so many other things. I was smiling while you were doing this video. Everything you did was correct and I wouldn't try to add a thing. I am an electrical engineer and your description of your process and materials were quite different than what I am used to. If it works, its right! Thanks, Brian!!!
Brian offering such awesome info and products that the company can't keep em in stock! Awesome video man!!
Thank you brother!🤘🏻❤️
Distracted by my paying job, I haven't yet ordered my VFD. Glad to see this video. I'm hopeful to have my grinder running by summer. Thanks for this tutorial, Brian. I'm annoyingly slow and cautious when it comes to wiring. This has helped me feel confident to move this project to completion...as soon as I get the VFD.
Thanks Brian!
You got it cuz!
Thank you for all that you have done to teach and provide high-end products. Helping all of us understand the installation. Appreciate all you have done and do.
I wired mine off an old video with all 10 gauge wire. This would have been way cheaper. But it also allowed me to run a 30 foot cord without having to ever worry about starving my motor for power and I can roll my machine outside when the weather is nice. Thanks for the updated video. Will probably just use 12 gauge next time.
Added this one to my electric motors playlist! Great video!
Well done Brian! Another great video!
The best instructional video on electrical set up I have seen, Great presentation.
Thank you Albert. So much. 🙏🏼
So helpful, thanks for making this video!
Great video! This is really going to help the grinder community. So happy for you to have that green machine in the back ground!
Yeah man, loving that piece of gear!! Thank you for sharing what you know as well. 💪🏻
Just finished my Revolution and paint is drying, i went with the recommended vfd and motor, also adding a forward/reverse and on/off line switch to the KBAC 27D. Edit.... I literally just added both switches in 7 minutes! This is really a very nice unit,I'm glad I spent a little more, I feel like I got a whole lot more. Great channel, great grinder, your a great guy, thanks for doing what you do!!!! Edit... Update, Its running! Brian this really is a beast of a machine! No vibration even when speed maxed out! Again, thank you!!! Next is the buffer/ polisher plans or kit however you offer it!
Thank you Michael!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Nice project. I love your choice of quality parts. I think I might build this.
Just wow! Nice! All you need now is the grinder!😁
Thank you. So helpful!
Thanks for the video. I hope to start on my grinder using your plans soon. It will take a while to save for the motor and VFD though.
Very informative, thank you very much!
Just FYI. Those Yellow ring terminals are for 12-10 gauge wire, and you are using 14-16 gauge wire. You can buy the correct Blue ring terminals to fit that screw for the ground perfectly. For that 16 gauge 120v whip those Yellow ring terminals would be way too small to crimp correctly. Not that they will have stress on them, but the correct Blue ones fit 14-16. For KBAC or KBDA, the line terminals are #6 screw and the ground is #8 screw for the proper blue(14-16) ring terminals.
Super informative, and easy to follow! Really appreciate the video
Thank you Donny!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Understand that at 120v, 2HP is around 16-17 amps at steady state. Start up amperage is going to be higher, and depending on the exact motor, it could draw up to 200% of operating amperage on start up, so be sure your breaker, wiring, etc is rated appropriately. Exact amperage is going to depend on the motor's efficiency and power factor. Also, as load increases that induction motor is going to suck more amperage. This is why we use 220v in our shops, you can run more powerful motors without drawing lots of amps.
Just the ticket! thank you
Excellent experience well done 👏🏾
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Thank you very much.
The 220V plugs with 4 prongs are used to bring a neutral into the device, often for 120V control boards. Some dryers and ovens use this.
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Excellent and very nice useful video. Congratulations and many thanks.
Thank you so much. 🙏🏼
Thank you you made it so easy
Thank you!!
This was helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
awesome video brian got alot from it 👍👍
Thank you!
It's a good idea to tape up the wire nuts. Keeps them from walking off and shorting to the motor case via any vibration.
If you aren't planning on re-wiring it ever, I'd just solder the wires together and put some heat shrink over them. A bit more work than a wire nut (and I'll typically start with wire nuts just to confirm everything is working) but once you solder it then you never have to worry about it ever again.
@@fredfchopin Until you have to replace it. Motors don't last forever.
@@nuke6702 True, but in that case solder a connector on it. There are molex connectors (and plenty of others) that have a latch to keep them together. Easy to replace one side or the other if you ever need to.
What about adding the reverse function switch? Thanks!
Very well done video!
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Excellent video!!!
Thanks so much Brett!
great video pal
Great explanation.
Thanks Jim!!
This video is awesome. I learned a lot. Wiring up my first VFD and this just made the job a ton easier. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Doug! I appreciate that.
Excellent description Brian! Any other video only half describes 118v & ignore 220/240. How do I install a reverse switch?? Heard it's stupid simple.. but I don't know how.
I'll make a video on that. 👍🏻 It is easy.
Thanks Brian for the information. I’m so glad I ran across your video about this setup. I have the same motor and same vfd , both still in the box. I’m finally ready to put somthing together. What 2 x 72 would you recommend to put with these two units? The best fit I guess I should say. Your instructions were very well spoken and easy to follow! Thanks again!
Happy to help. I am partial to my own setup which is the Revolution 2x72. You would need to build it from our kit or scratch. If that isn't an option I like Ameribrade as a pre built unit. Awesome gear. 🤙🏻
And if you want more info on the Revolution just head over to my website www.HouseMade.us thanks again Buckaroo.
Hi matey. Art of Craftsmanship send us here to check you out. Saw your Revolution band grinder, it's definitely a revolution matey. Hello from Christmas Island.
Cheers and thank you for joining up on the channel! Cheers from Sunny Florida.
great video and explanation on the process. I followed along for 110 and when i go to test out the motor and vfd, It engages for a second and then pops the breaker. This is set up in a garage that was a carport and upgraded later on to a garage, And only has one wall outlet out here that was tied into an existing line of the house. Should i just run a new outlet on a new breaker to avoid that problem? Beginner here with not much knowledge any info or tips is appreciated, Thanks!
Is the outlet a GFCI? If it is the VFD will pop the breaker. Replace the outlet with a standard outlet and it will work fine.
Is it possible to convert a 220 single phase motor to 110 and have variable speed? Sorry for the crazy questions. I had a great deal on a 2hp single phase motor.
Are these all 3 phase motor (t- labeles the same.? I have the Chinese vfd you recommend in another video and a 1.5 hp 3 phase motor.
Nice job Brian, the videos get more and more pro! Have you converted your Enco mill drill to 3 phase yet? I'm thinking about that now as it's such a pain to change the belts around for different speeds...
Was just thinking that exact same thing. Belt changes is a terrible design.
That would be a fun project. I'll add it to the list. Thank you Scott.
Hey Brian I was wondering will that k back 27d vfd be a good choice for my Bridgeport mill with a 2hp 3phase step pulley motor and is there any disadvantages using 110 in to the vfd to 220 thank you very much for your videos electric is my biggest downfall on my projects
It could work. With 110 you lose 1/2 hp.
Why the 50 Amp plug? The 14 gauge wire looks a bit anemic in relation the the plug. I have 220/20 amp outlets in my shop. Only one 50 amp outlet, and my welder already occupies it. Cheers! Nearly have my rev3 finally built. Need to fab the tracking mechanism and wire. And then a tune up.
I like flexibility, so I use 50amp plugs for a lot of things. Definitely not code, but my shop can be reconfigured pretty quick. Glad you're building the Rev! Cheers!!
We watch your video it was good, but we have a 1 and a half horse power motor with 110 cord do we half to rewire inside the motor
I’m having trouble locating a Kbac 27D do you know if the Kbac 24D will also work with the Iron Horse motor that you suggest? Thanks
I do not think it will. It supports 1hp or less.
All of my other grinders are single speed and one direction. I don't really have a need for forward and reverse or the speed adjustment could I just use the same iron horse motor but a single phase version and wire it to just a switch instead?
Yes, any single phase motor will work fine. I really enjoy having speed control.
Pretty sure KB sells a fwd/rev switch you can add to the unit.. very nice if you're making a buffer, etc
Yes they do. Easy to install too.
I know this is kind of an older video. But I can't find any good video showing how people set the red jumpers. The reason I ask is because I don't feel like I'm getting the full power out of my VFD. Power at the cord is correct but no mater how I set the start up it's slower than my other type of VFD with a longer wind up time. I don't quite understand where it's saying to place the red jumpers for 220. I'd just like to see a close up of the red jumpers. I'll watch again maybe I over looked you setting them. Thanks for your time.
I'm thinking about ordering one of your Revolution ultimate bundles and I have a three-horsepower motor that meets all the other specs for this build will that be okay
Yes you will just want to pair it with a VFD that can accommodate 3 hp. The cheaper 220 version I have on my resources page will do it just fine.
@@HouseMadeUS thank you, I'll be placing my order tomorrow most likely, any available discount codes out there?
I have the same motor and kbac unit. Since running on 115 v should the kbac be changed to 50hz position?
No 60hz is fine.
@@HouseMadeUS Thanks kindly.
How much actual power is delivered when limited to the 120v source? Does it need 20 amp? Sorry if any of this was asked and answered. I listened to the whole video. I don't think 120 is viable for me as I have a 3HP motor on my Evolution. Is there a KBAC that can convert 220 1 phase to 3 phase sufficient for a 3HP motor? I see ones that are for 380v-480v but don't want to go there.
You do lose a 1/2 HP when you run 110, which is negligible. There isn't a 110 VFD that can power a 3hp (that I know of)
I'm sure aware of the reverse, forward switch at the vfd , and also the single or double motor speed in the vfd, to get your preferred rpm if needed
Yes, definitely a good upgrade!
Just checked on the vfd, not in stock on Amazon. Will keep checking until available
Sold out for months now.
Can you wire the cheaper vfd that you recommend with 110v?
Unfortunately no.
I intend to buy the plans. Question: Is it better to use an 1800 rpm motor and vary the speed over 900-4000 rpm, or use a 3600 rpm motor for the same speed range? The motor would be 2 hp, inverter duty 3 ph in either case. Thanks for you response
I only use 3600 RPM motors. Much better speed range.
Cable is 4x1.5 3x1.5 or 4x2.5 and 3x2.5 in mm?
If you find your motor is running the opposite direction that you want couldn’t you just switch the black and white wire in the vfd? Is there any reason to do it one way over the other?
Sure that works too. I find the wires in the motor just easier to get to.
@@HouseMadeUS 10 4 thanks for the reply
Any time. Happy to help.
A 4 pin plug would be for incoming 3 phase. 2 legs and ground will be 115 ish volt with the third being the “hot” leg at about 176 volts,the fourth is of course ground. That’s for 240 incoming .
Is the 110 strong enough to effectively power a 2x72 grinder?
Yes most definitely as long as you use this setup. I've seen single phase 110 motors (not variable speed) do great as well. 1.5-2hp preferred
@@HouseMadeUS Thanks Brian...this is why I will be purchasing from you!
What's the difference between 220 volt 3 phase and single phase? Will a motor 220 volt 3 phase work on single phase?
For a short period. Till it smokes your windings.
For just $50 more i spring for the 3hp motor and vfd. Over kill for sure but I didn't see a reason why not to for that price
Your KBac Amazon link doesn’t work
what should I do(can it be normal) for my motor to come with No instructions No labels No wires coming out I'm using this motor for a different application, But I'm assuming the wiring should still be the same the most I can see this thing has is 2 main labels directly on the motor. One is a warning label and the other is The spec label which says NBK 20609 1/4 hp 115v 60Hz (PH1) (SF1.35) 1725RPM Reversible (CL.B) (AMB) 40°C Continuous Thermally protected (the parenthesed are the ones i dont know there meaning, can anyone tell me there meaning?? i think PH1 means single phase?) same label also has a connection diagram which reads simply RED____○5 BKACK___○2 ○4____ LINE 1 ○1____LINE 2 under a faceplate on the motor I found some kind of interface with 3 open pairs of prongs 2 of which has a nut an bolt I assume for a loop connector(if choosing that route)along with 2 single prongs with a red an black wire attached that leads toward the Stator, on the outside is a yellow green lined wire for the ground, and that's it. I see total of 6 numbers pointing to the prongs, with line 1(○4) and line 2 (○1) each pointing to a pair of prongs Each are the ones that has the bolt and nut other than that. I see a couple other numbers(6&7) that point to small open holes then an extra pair of prongs that say 3. But I don't see anything that says what three does. I'm no electrician but had the motor come in the condition that you had yours in. I could easily wire it up. But I have no idea what leads to where or what goes to where especially given the fact that if what you're saying i's true then I can't rely on the colors of the wires which is what I was banking on until I saw this video. I mean, I know definitely what the ground wire is. But it safe to assume the black wire is the negative and the red is live. But even if that were true, I don't know what line one or line two means Nor do I know which prongd would connect to the red or black wire which are connected to the prongst they're not open so I don't know now😬 You are anyone else's help would be very much greatly appreciated PS. I'm going to try to contact the seller on Amazon, but the amazon site contains some more specs about the motor but nothing on how to wire it up.
If there are no wires in the motor you need to return it.
Lol, vfd and motor affiliate links are sold out. Video must have worked!! Lol
They have been for months now. Lol.
@@HouseMadeUS Any idea on when they'll have them back in stock? I'm gearing up for my build... lol... Trying to talk myself into tackling it.
@@BrandonGuise I'm sure you can find them at different places the motor is a standard motor.
The 2hp motor is out of stock along with the VFD.
The motor on AutomationDirect is always out of stock. You have to make the purchase and let them back order it and fullfill. Plan to wait at least 12 weeks though, I did and eventually received mine.
You had me on this video when you showed a proper crimping tool. Too many handy man videos show very poor crimping methods.
This was east to understand till you completely didn’t show what you meant by “sealing the black n white around”
The only reason to do this is if your grinder is running reverse in the forward position. All you do is put the black wire where the white wire is in the motor case and vise versa.
Iron Horse buyers be aware...these are cheap motors from China. Ive worked with crap tons of these and have found that the windings in these produce noisy and leaky frequencies. What happens is the bearings end up arcing out and pitting that results in extremely noisy conditions. I ended up changing all these motors over to a hybrid ceramic bearing that has eliminated this problem.
Both the electronic components are not available which are the hardest to compare. Why don’t you offer the complete set up it’s useless without a motor
I can only guess that Brian would have the same logistical problem that AutomationDirect would run into, the supply chain has been suffering since the start of the pandemic. Also, he would have to invest more $ in order to carry the stock, kind of hard for a small business. AutomationDirect will take orders on out of stock items, I placed my order and they eventually fulfilled the back order but it did take something like 12 weeks, it could be longer.
Useful video, but just too long. Like these recipe sites. Skip first 8 minutes.
I don't make these videos for entertainment, they are made to educate. If you skip the first 8 minutes you will miss out on valuable information and you will not be able to complete this project.
@@HouseMadeUS Thank you for taking time to shoot, edit and post this informative video. I re-watched it, and the first minutes do contain useful background info.