2023 BMW 330i M Sport (G20 LCI) Review - Has BMW fixed the G20's biggest weakness? | EvoMalaysia
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- 00:00 - Introduction
- 01:49 - BMW G20 LCI Exterior
- 09:52 - BMW G20 LCI Interior, Rear Seats
- 12:36 - BMW G20 LCI Interior, Dashboard
- 21:01 - BMW G20 LCI Malaysia Line-Up
- 22:11 - BMW 330i G20 LCI Driving Impressions
- 30:26 - Conclusion
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Excellent review and the extra camera and good mic, keep up the good works👍🏻
Thank you!
love the rundown on all the 3 series model of the past with video, perfect timing, i could replay this everytime @30:14
Hahaha... footage from BMW Classic
This is the best overview of the 3 series I have seen. Great job.
Thank you for watching!
Great review. Well done packed with useful info. Better than Bobby's review 😂
Thank you for watching!
Bobby is the boss lah wei😂
agreed to this one
Boss pun tak tau new batch got adaptive suspension apa guna?
😂 way better
Excellent rv, as always. Thumbs up.
thanks for watching!
thank you so much for the honest and professional review Kon...will support you always
Thank you for watching!
i like this kind of review kon, different concept from your previous style especially stating a question for the introduction and the use of graphics while presenting and others also....keep it up kon👍
Thank you. Was studying various ways to improve my content delivery. Glad you liked it
Thank you for the video, very informative for someone who's considering the new 3 series.
Thank you for watching. Do share with us your decision once you made your mind!
@@KonWaiLuen Finally had some time to go and test drive it. Was a bit harsh behind the wheel, but GF said it was really bumpy at the back seat. :(
Tanx Kon for all the details.. good job..
Thanks for watching!
This is the first time I actually comment after a review and I am doing it because I am really impressed with your detailed explanations especially the part on the adaptive suspension, and suggestions to change to non-RFT is spot on. I only wished you did this video earlier so I can benefit on the advise. Please keep up the good work and continue to produce such high quality car reviews for us! Well done!
I'm honoured sir. Thank you for your feedback. You have one of these? Would love to hear more on your ownership experience.
Good review, I especially like the section about the headlights how they made pre LCI cars without the laser lights feels and looks like a bit cheaper option
Yes, the pre-LCI LED lights really annoyed me
Excellent review. Enjoyed it thoroughly👍🏾 If u get a test 330i car with the M Adaptive Suspension, do make a follow up review on it as well. Cheers mate
Thank you for watching. Hope to have the opportunity to answer your request
Same request here. Looking forward to the adaptive suspension version’s review
Yup me waiting too
Kudos Kon! Very good and informative review of the G20. Presentation and description is more thorough while no holds barred comments was a surprising inclusion. Hope BMW doesn't ban you from testing their cars in the future...ha!ha! However, reviewers should not be afraid to tell it like it is unlike some famous local websites, cari makan I suppose. Makes one have better view of the investment that they are going to make as the G20 is not Proton/Perodua cheap. Keep on improving, bro! (I have subscribed now)
I think overall it was still quite a positive review, but BMW are one of the brands more open to criticisms. Thanks for subscribing!
Great review again Kon. The way you explain, choice of words, the phrasing and speed, there are just spot on. The fact that you also added video footages in between made it even more informative. On the review I totally agree that the interior of this LCI is a mixture of traditional and future design philosophy, which suffers at both the design as well as function (eg no gear nob, no physical climate control button and the main thing that my eyes cannot accept yet is the stacking up of the long rectangle tablets looking infotainment screen, instead of nice trapezoid integrated one like pre-facelifted version). Keep up the good work Kon. Looking forward for your reviews for other G20 LCI as well such as 320i, M340i, Li version, with/without adaptive M sport suspension.
thank you for the feedback. was recently inspired to add improvements to my video outputs for the audience's benefit. :)
idk why, i like the way you explain and speak!😁 keep it up good ful 35 mins
Thanks for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed!
Great review thank you
Thanks for watching!
Great review
Thanks for watching!
Good review hit the nail on the spot...would it be possible to review between a M Sport Adaptive Suspension and Adaptive Suspension? I sometimes feel even the BMW sales advisors dont even know the difference
Probably not in Malaysia, as the G20 is no longer offered in non M Sport configuration.
Thanks for the recommendation on changing to non rft. Will change the tyres soon..
Share with us your experience after you do it!
Best constructive review ever
Thank you!!
Your introduction….. Steve Job’s level during the announcement of the first iPhone 💪🏼
Whoa! Thanks!!
Brilliant review - as always! Picked up a G20 320i because you've reviewed it so thoroughly and made the model not sound like a knockoff/lesser version of the G20.
Congrats! Hope you enjoying the car!
320i is passive M sports suspension, right? Is it as bad as both Bobby and Kon said?
@@stephensiew9237 pre-facelift was non M Sport
@@KonWaiLuen I know. Just wanna check with normal driver whether that M sports suspension for 320i is tolerable for normal users. By the way, your review is great but you guys are professionals ma. So could have different standards.
@@stephensiew9237 320i is not using an Msports suspension - the 330i G20 first batch was. Not sure about the new batches.
wah your review is your good. It really shows you are very knowledgeable, even versus most of western reviewers.
Thank you for the feedback!
Thank you for the excellent review. Was the car on runflat or regular tyres?
I believe they are on run flats. Going to non-runflats will certainly improve the ride.
I dont usually comment on videos but i have to say, you have definitely improved with the overall quality of your videos, we as the audience definitely notice the extra effort and can guarantee that it did not go to waste. Great choice of words, smart order to review the parts of the car and an overall fantastic flow to the review. Well done Kon! 👍
Thank you for noticing! Hoping to incorporate further improvements in upcoming videos. Stay Tuned!
Excellent review Kon, one of the best local reviews with the info you provided. I'm curious on your opinion between this and a golf GTI MK8. Which would make a better daily driver since both have crappy electronic buttons? And which one would be nicer to drive around town?
I m not a fan of the Golf 8's touch UI, but from a vehicle dynamics perspective, the VW is definitely the better all-rounder for daily use.
Thanks for the reply! See you tonight on your live show.
great Kontent Kon, what would one have to do to get a pre-facelift 330i with the adaptive M suspension in Malaysia?
Besides buying the actual part, will have to code the car's Canbus software to activate the Adaptive suspension function. May also have wiring works involved. Can be done for sure with enough money and determination, but may not be worthwhile.
@@KonWaiLuen I see, got it. Thanks Kon!
Thank you for asking the right question. The suspension is really horrendous for a daily driver. I'm gonna give this LCI a skip. Another pick I would have is the removal (or lack) of 360 degrees camera.
Can try with the Adaptive Suspension and see.
My lastest g20 330e lci comes with msport brakes as standard and also adaptive suspension.
Thanks for sharing. How is the ride with the Adaptive suspension?
I’m actually looking for a G20 330e LCI owner to get some feedbacks. That’s because I am eyeing the same car too
Very good review, thank you. We just got this car for my wife.
Congrats! She liking it?
Glad to see you back with the reviews! Fully agree, to be honest I think the G20 is so good that it actually showed how the F30 was not that sharp nor that well made - especially compared to the E90 (handling) and the A4 B8/B9 (quality). What’s so impressive is how the G20 is so perfect in quite literally every way, and not only that, represents a huge step up in terms of reliability as well. The B48 is truly up there with one of the best modern turbo 4 cylinder petrol engines in the last 10-20 years IMO especially when factoring performance, economy and reliability. It’s funny because I would have said the B9 A4 pre facelift actually felt competitive against the pre-facelift G20, but alas the subsequent updates Audi did to the styling and the removal of the controller for the MMi have made the A4 not as good anymore. The B9 was a decently good car to drive, better than the C class and arguably slightly better than the F30 but no where close to the G20.
I was never gone, but slowed down a bit recently, yes, for a bit of self-reflecting. The F30's biggest weakness, in my opinion was its interior. Really not premium feeling. Next to the W205, in terms of perceived value, no contest, even though it was more solidly built, the F30 thoroughly lost the perception test. Regarding the B48 engine, it is, no question, a big leap from the N20. In terms of reliability, refinement, and power delivery, every way superior. You can really feel that BMW built the B48 out of much sterner stuff than the N20.
@@KonWaiLuen ahhh I see! Yes, fully agree while the F30 (especially the LCI) had good enough quality, they did do some weird design choices (the removable tray was truly… a choice). Not only that, I recall the lowest spec models that were initially brought in as a CBU were truly poverty, and even in the first few years of CKD it felt cheap. Was considering to pick up a 328i GT but the poor quality put it off.
@@sudonano I distinctly remembered reviewing the 320d kosong from the perspective of a Waja owner and went "fuck me..."
@@KonWaiLuen hahahahaha I remember going to the Auto Bavaria showroom the weekend it launched and very distinctly told myself wow, that’s it? Turns out 2 years later when I took the 316i for a drive, that’s when I realised how cheap it truly was.
Kon is spot on with the review here. When i was deciding then, it was an obvious choice for me to go with the 320i (2022 Pre LCI G20) over the 330i due to the latter's harsh ride. Even the BMW Genie rep in one of the BMW 3S outlet opine the same thing. Sense that the coming 330i with adaptive may just ride as well as the 5s which are on the adaptive dampers.
Congrats on your decision. How are you liking the car so far?
Ok as the ride quality and handling was a step-up over the previous W205 C200 and considering it was the last batch before the SST came in.😅
@@weekengyip1 most important you happy with the purchase. Haha
Great review. Come and work on top gear. Really enjoyed this
Happy to send over my resume!
@@KonWaiLuen 😂😂😂😂
When are you reviewing the g20 adaptive suspension
Is the 320i will be more comfortable or the same as 330i
Thanks for the informative review! I'm planning on getting the 2023 320LCI instead of the 330LCI as I'm not sure whether its worth paying the extra premium for an addition 70 HP and blue brake calipers. In your opinion is the ride in the 320LCI similar to the 330LCI? Or is it abit softer?
If the 330i with adaptive dampers will be worth the premium
320i pre-LCI without M Sport suspension was the perfect setup, but now LCI with M Sport passive, i believe will be quite firm too
Thanks for the info! I test drove the facelift 320i LCI last weekend and found the M sport passive suspension to be bearable enough. Also test drove a pre-owned 320i pre-LCI to compare and did notice a difference in the ride quality between the two models. Ended up putting down a booking fee for the facelift 320i LCI as I preferred getting a newer car with the full warranty package vs pre-owned one with much shorter warranty package. 330i with adaptive M sport suspension was out of my budget.
It’s the best exterior design bmw ever had
Very good review. This or Volvo S60?
S60 is better value for sure, but I personally prefer the BMW driving experience. M340i if budget permits for me.
Ooo bmw why no adaptive suspension before? Even passat got that a since a long time ago. Btw looking forward for kon's review on the adaptive suspension. Ohsem kon.
From what I read of international reviews and also official press materials, BMW were very proud of their passive suspension setup, and I cheered them on for that because getting passive suspension to do everything right is not easy. Requires a lot of tuning effort.
Hi, the 330e LCI do come with M Sport brake. It’s calibre is blue too
Thanks for clarifying. Will mention this in a future vid!
@@KonWaiLuen Thanks for the informative review
Kon, I wonder where did the F30 335i (WWT 261) go? Hope it's still in good condition, that is a really rare car in our country. (I don't think it got sent to the scrapyard XD)
It came up for sale recently at RM88k. Was tempted to buy. Haha
How cool that car has still the Auto start Stopp function. Here in europe there is no Button for this
Probably a regulation thing. Which part of Europe are you from?
Can’t believe I watch till the end😂
The M sport suspension is a weird one. I think you need to really consider on what kind of roads you are going to use it. Most fora however, seem to agree if you want to stop the worry wether it is going to be too hard and you going to feel sorry: install Eibach springs with Bilstein dampers on the m sport suspension. Tier 2 is install a KW V1 set. A KW V2 or a V3, or if you really want to go crazy: Ohlin suspension, you will never worry about suspension again and finishes this more or less perfect car. Having said that: I just wont spent so much money on a much cheaper Tesla like dashboard shape, wich then seems fitted with a cheap LCI and ridiculous graphics. Pre-LCI still does it for me. Lets see what update 2 for the G20 brings in 6 months time. Great review!
Thanks for the feedback! The best setup of the G20 thus far is the non-M Sport suspension in the pre-LCI 320i.
I currently own the 330e F30. Other than changing my aux battery every 6 months the car has been great. Now with the warranty from BMW gone and BMW did actually offer me trade in, should I keep my current car or upgrade to the G20? If I were to upgrade do you think I should get the 320i or the 330i? I don't mind other people opinion on what version of BMW I drive. I just want to know if the 30k extra for the 330i is worth the money. Or do you think i should skip the 3 series and go for the 5 which is at the end of it life cycle and probably get a good deal from the dealer?
Aux battery every 6 months? That's quite high frequency right? To answer your question, yes, do consider going up to the 5 Series as your next upgrade.
Just curious - how much discount would one get for the current 5 series? I’m considering this too but not sure if I should wait until next year for the new one.
@@pogz86secure a 530e used for only 1 year with all the warranty and less than 4k mileage. In great condition and a price similar to 320i LCI new. Took Kon advice and got a better car with less money.
@@KonWaiLuenit happens because I left the car to charge overnight sometime for more than 12 hours. Best is to not over charge your hybrid. Keep the battery between 30-80% .
Hi Kon, do u think a used 2007 E63 is a good buy.?
What engine? It's an acquired taste, but I think prices are relatively attainable today, but the V8s will require a bit more intensive maintenance
hi Kon..did you hear about G20 lower arm issue where many owners experiencing?
Not before today. Now I have you mentioning this, and another commenter mentioning about the tie rod issue.
@@KonWaiLuen ya maybe i'm wrong not lower arm but tie rod issue with knocking sound.
Reviewed like a true BMW fanboy but with honesty =D
Hahahahahaha... thanks for the feedback!
Please fo a review for 330Li
kzhead.info/sun/mbZ-kbKHqoKAjHk/bejne.html Funnily enough, this was shot mere weeks before the LCI was launched.
I just booked a new 2023 320i due to budget issues. The new 330i comes with adaptive suspension. I am upgrading from vios to 320i. Will the new 320i really feels that bad with the m sport suspension?
Did you test drive the car? If not, try to arrange test drive on a car without Adaptive suspension and see if it suits your tastes.
@@KonWaiLuen Yes I have tried, but since I am upgrading my car from a Toyota Vios to A BMW, i didnt even realized about the suspension issue until I watch all the reviews. I was just mesmerized by the power delivery of the car. Maybe in the future I might feel it.
Paid booking already, then rejoice in your decision and enjoy the car!
coming from F30 LCI, this G20 suspension is really harsh. The F30 passive suspension is still one of the best till date.
Spot on. The F30 draws a lot of flak from older school enthusiasts for its softer setup, but reality is that it is perfect for daily use.
I currently have an E90 M Sport, would you say that the G20 M Sport suspension is more or less comfortable than the E90?
G20 M Sport slightly harsher in my view
@@KonWaiLuen thanks for the reply! Wow adaptive suspension is a must then because that’s the one thing I don’t like about my E90, and that’s even on non run flats
My friends who have experienced the G20 M Sport with adaptive suspension says the ride is much more bearable. But E90 and G20 are both much better off in non-M Sport suspension. The naturally stiff bodyshells of these cars already good enough to give them good handling characteristics without needing to resort to harsh ride quality
thanks sir for ur review. i make my mind. its GTR 35. tot of buying bmw as its new car, after listening to ur review, nvm im going for recond gtr
Great 👍
Sunway Serene at the back?
Yes, you stay there?
@@KonWaiLuen Not yet move in
I had a F10 520i and currently drives the G01 with the newer B48 engine. I found the new engine has less problems, stock of course.
The B48 is a better-built engine. No question. Our friends from DNA Tuning tell us that the B48 has higher tuning potential than the N20, indicating much stronger internals.
which is a better buy? GR corolla or M340i
GR Corolla is more special la, no question.
The back of my 2023 330e usb ports are type A 😢 Mine is North American model, btw.
Still plenty of A-to-C cables available, no?
@KonWaiLuen yes, but I'm trying to eliminate as many type A cables as possible.
g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1780406 may be possible to retrofit.
@KonWaiLuen interesting. I'm going to have to seriously look into that. I appreciate you. 🙏
BMW is not a Mercedes. Hard suspension is, for me, one of the best things that BMW has. Sorry my opinion. You want a soft suspension take an mercedes
I'll meet you halfway on this. There is firm, and there is hard. Yes, you want a bit of firmness to help contain the roll and keep the body planted to the ground, but on road, you need that pliancy so that on uneven surfaces, the suspension has enough travel to keep all four wheels touching the road!
BMW inline 6 is the best.
Maybe you have to pay a subscription fee for the shocks to work.
Hahahahahaha.... this is gold
Haha .. a definite possibility, the way things are evolving.
this G20 worth as my current bitcoin holding. I hope this q4 i can sell it and buy this prestigious car
What's stopping you from buying it now?
I really do think that kon and bobby is the best car reviewer in Malaysia
Thank you!
The lci look and for sure the new touch screen does not look right glued to a car dash. I drive 7 fit the part and the looks. and is still currant and works well. BOOOO to the 3 series LCI
So many people trying to sell their newly bought 3 series cause can't tahan the harsh ride. Even the ones bought in 2023.
Yeah, the 320i non M Sport are okay, M340i with adaptive suspension also okay. But 330i with passive M Sport, koyak.
put a sunroof on the 330i
If changing to non RF tyres is there room to store a spare?
Structurally, the car still has a spare tyre well, because there are markets that run flats are absolutely not an option. But in markets like ours, that space is usually occupied by some electronic modules
The reason some may say the ride is stiff etc is because of our bad roads.. European roads…no issue
I'd imagine it's a non issue on smoothly paved stretches on the Autobahn, but try the LDP stretch from Cyberjaya to Dengkil, and you'll cry. 😄
Malay road i think better than Indo road ,Jakarta highway that i passed by daily there are lots of hole and bumps (Jakarta- Tangerang) i personally loves the 3 series and been using for 3 generation since e36 -e46 and f30 till today. I have tested The g20 330i prelci ,suspension wise i think too harsh for daily driving.glad they improve it.. 320i more suitable for the road condition..or maybe im to old to handle stiff car.. and im still happy with my daily driving car stage 2+ 330hp F30 😂.. i like your review nice review @kon , Regards from Jakarta
It is not as hard as FD2R. FD2R will shake your balls like a bouncing ping pong.
This one let me check with our EvoClub member Shaun Tan. 😁
G20 biggest problem is the Tie Rod I hope you guys can do a video to help G20 owners to claim their rights. because most of G20 had this issue From 2019 unit to even LCI Model also still have the same problem. and BMW Malaysia never give us a solution. Even we claimed from SC and the same problem will appear again in 1 month (Knocking Sound)
Perhaps you can get a few owners who experienced the same problem to band together, get some legal advice to see if you can press for some form of compensation.
0:57 What!? What the fcuk is "tahan"? La
it's Malaysian slang for 'stand'. as in, can you stand the ride?
They fucked up with the rear bumper so ugly I hope there will be a new facelift soon
This FL gear knob suffered ED 😂😂😂, absolutely underwhelming design there.
I call it the small kukujiao shifter. 😁
@@KonWaiLuen lol indeed, they should have preserved the knob that is currently in the x4 FL which mimics the traditional M shifter.
The F generation gear selectors are still the best
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