China’s economy defies expectations | DW Business
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China’s economy has performed better than expected so far this year, with industrial output and retail sales both outperforming forecasts. Despite this, the Chinese government is cautioning that domestic demand remains too low. DW Business speaks with Michael Pettis, senior fellow at the Carnegie China Center and professor of finance at Peking University, about how the country can boost consumption at home and restore its image internationally.
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*Last two weeks, DW was saying that CHINESE ECONOMY is collapsing. 😂*
It's all for the "clicks"
The Chinese government deliberately discourages domestic demand, sacrificing the living standards of the Chinese people and causing overcapacity. As a result, it became export-oriented and the policy of export dumping was used to disrupt the world trade order. This is a consistent approach of dictators.
Low demand is a very bad thing..... If other countries want to reduce trade with China it means China is in trouble...
They're not taking any u-turn here. Michael has been saying the same thing for two decades. But the CCP hasn't been able to reform. It eventually will have to.
Germany recently invested heavily in China😂
No one with a rational mind would want to lose the huge market of 1.4 billion potential consumers like China and India. People who ignores that reality are making fool of themselves.
@@catinbootsnow4267Except China is far wealthier than India
@@catinbootsnow4267 Yup that's why China has gotten rid of the USA as its biggest export destination. The result, the GDP gap between China and the USA is narrowing down.
@@blankspace1126not for long. 15-20 years and India surprasses China
Enterprises must make profits to survive. Politicians only need to shout ideology to cheat votes.
Very eloquent and knowledgeable speaker. Please have them back on!
Them?
@@alexeykulikov2739 are you unfamiliar with English grammar? Them is a pronoun, just like he/him/they or even you/your/it/us/our. Don’t worry, I know it’s hard, but you’ll get there!
it is a pronoun, just the wrong one. @@Lords1997
He's just parroting standard Western neoliberal capitalist talking points, the latest of which being "China has too much manufacturing capacity" in addition to the older "China invests too much, and doesn't consume enough." The "excessive" manufacturing capacity one is pretty amusing, because they're complaining that Chinese goods are becoming too plentiful and too affordable for Western consumers. This anti-consumer complaint wants to protect high prices for Western manufacturers who cannot compete with Chinese manufacturing because they lack scale, input cost control, and logistics.
HIM
What if the reason is simply that they don't want to become a service-focused economy and just wants all the factories to stay at all cost?
You must be a very happy factory worker Good for you Incredibly boring low paid work suits some people
It’s not that they don’t want to it’s that the country is organized in a way where it can’t
i think they are looking into the future far ahead, imagine they make everything for the world but everything is automated with robots and AI.@@toi_techno
Someone has to buy it.
There is no way out of that. To bring people out of poverty, you simply have to raise workers salaries and not only for factory workers, that moves you toward a service economy. China hasn't done that yet except in the developed areas / cities.
Great guest! Easy understanding, straight forwatd
It is going to be a monumental task to get people to save materially less and consume a lot more like in other economies . That's going against Chinese culture and habits spanning millennia. Some people say they save a lot because there are no safety nets but if you know Chinese history, even during the golden era of some past Dynasties, this was equally a 'problem'. People saved a lot despite robust safety nets in place.
Saving money is built into Chinese culture. 🎉
At the recent Two Sessions in Beijing, the populace was encouraged to replace their home appliances, etc., a way to raise household consumption.
In traditional Chinese culture, spending too much and saving too little is a behavior that should be ashamed of. 😅
It's not a cultural thing. I understand it's tempting to attribute the problems/succusses of foreign countries that you don't know much about to cultrual reasons. I am afraid the reasons we don't spend much are very simple and boring. Most of us are either too poor to begin with or too broke after buying a home, and, yes, most of us don't have social safety nets. 'Dynasty rises, people suffer; dynasty falls, people suffer'. If you really know our history, you would understand that some dynasties are considered golden is because the state prospered not the people. The emporers were absolute monachs, not leaders of your modern welfare states.
@@antonidas3812Just curious are you Chinese?😊
Great report and knowledgeable guest.
Did he seriously say the sustainable way is for people to consume more ?
I think he's referring to economic sustainability, not environmental sustainability. In that regard, he's right. You can't sustain an economy if people are hesitant to spend.
The logic of capitalism is that people must consume. If people don't consume the circuit of capital is affected and disrupted and causes a "crisis".
Well you can’t make goods if no one consumes them, so if you want to maintain your level of production you need consumption.
@@andrewharris3900 It's either the west doesn't get it because of pr0p@ganda, or they know that they can't stay rich if China continues to build up it's production capacity so that we(the global south) can afford the things privileged West are enjoying as well...
@ Simeon... This is conventional wisdom (consumption to pick up the slack in demand for industry). In US we have opposite problem - excessive consumption, and inadequate savings & investment.
yes, this is the kind of speaker that gives real insight and futuristic view.
when I live in Shanghai, sam’s and Costco supermarket always full of customers everyday, and both of them is America company
Full of product manufactured out side or usa
but even in the US, 90%of the products from Sam's and Costco is actually made in China
Who’s gonna tell him that Cosco is actually a Chinese company
You can't earn a cent in China without the CCP approving it
90% of product of Costco in America are made in China
That was informative. I like this guy.
This is actually good if they're focused on localisation now. They can channel their energy to other areas that has high demand.
When the people have no basic social-economic securities such as medical service and education, they have to save hard for these experiences.
I thought this video was about China, not the US.
@ryuuguu01 Exactly. He thought China is a fundamental capitalist oriented society like merrrica where costs of education and medical service are insanely high while in reality china is fundamentally a socialist society where public service such as transportation is surprisingly cheap and the costs of education and medical service is extremely low(cause most schools and hospitals in China are not private but public) esp compared to the US.
我真的无语到了😅…作为中国的医生有被冒犯到
Bro what are you talking about? The UK among other countries is flooded with Chinese masters students.. their whole system/culture is hyper focused on educational attainment.
He lost me when he said the high tech sector isn’t that important… it is
Long term, probably it matters a lot due to trickle down effect. But as it stands, the high end tech sector only make up a relatively small part of the economy, thus in short to medium is less relevant from a pure economic point of view.
It really isn't in that it employs so few Chinese people. 3/4 of Chinese has not attended high school and will never participate in advanced parts of the labor market. For those already past 3-4 years of age, some of the intellectual potential is permanently lost due to rural childrearing methods. For young adults the situation is worse as childhood anemia, untreated visual problems and worm infection reduce their schooling outcomes (e.g. ref: "invisible china"). If/when automatization takes over more jobs, the high tech sector may even have an inverse correlation with the income of the majority of the Chinese population Finally the high tech sector is so wasteful with direct and indirect subsidies that its net-positive contribution to the real economy is doubtful. The latter not being an isolated problem for China, but is also reflected elsewhere. E.g. the productivity growth lag in the US correlates really nicely with zero-rate investment into silicon valley.
@@Baz.007 the importance of the high tech sector is not in pure volume of sales, it is in the dependence of all other sectors on it. You remove the high tech and most sectors can't function properly anymore
Tech side is a good catalyst. It has never been an engine of economy. They are like turbos. But if the engine sucks those turbos are not gonna be enough.
@@bulthaosen1169 without high tech some sectors stop working completely aviation is one of those banking and financial institutions would have troubles operating Hi tech is not a turbo is part of the fiber of a modern economy
Self-selecting power only think the power security only. It is as simple as that.
Interesting input, thanks
"China should focus on men delivering food in a wheel and not high tech economy" How dare is China doing better than us? 😂😂😂 Go China!🎉🎉
India has lower productivity, which fits very well with the low demand
They should bring out that head of lettuce used to countdown the time liz truss was in office.
He is wrong. The Chinese are natural savers. They are rated among the top ten savers countries in the world. Couple with a huge population, their savings will empower their banks
They have no savings
@@midbc1midbc199 agreed . China has no savings . It gives loans . Usa is under 80% chinese loans
@@midbc1midbc199agreed . Usa is under chinese loans
Increasing domestic consumption in China is going to be extremely difficult with the majority of savings tied up in real estate. Real estate in China is hard to sell considering over 90% of home sold are new.
That's not considered savings. That's investment and/or consumption.
The real estate market in China is terrible.
U r correct. 2024, mark the first year of Apple’s decline? iPhone shipments in China fell 33% year-on-year last month. iPhone shipments in the Chinese market have declined for the second consecutive month. Total iPhone shipments in January were approximately 5.5 million units, a decrease of approximately 39% from the same period last year.
@@kendalson7100 It's actually excellent if "homes are for living in", as Xi stated. Over 90% of Chinese own their homes, and deflating the bubble lowers cost and increases affordability, increases homeownership. What's "terrible" is the refusal of the Chinese government to bail out Western specuators who knowingly bought depressed real estate stocks that the Chinese had fled. From the Chinese perspective, those bagholders have only themselves to blame.
Chinese saving is $32 trillion ($ 4.5 trillion US ) yuan in banks.
Really enlightening analysis of China's strength and weaknesses. Not many economists can tell the story so well in just a few minutes.
I see Pettis quoted frequently by China watchers.
Anyone noticed the poster of AV大久保 in the background of this professor. It’s a rock band in china
Chinese are buying less western luxury stuffs.
U r correct 2024, mark the first year of Apple’s decline? iPhone shipments in China fell 33% year-on-year last month. iPhone shipments in the Chinese market have declined for the second consecutive month. Total iPhone shipments in January were approximately 5.5 million units, a decrease of approximately 39% from the same period last year.
Goooood for them.
@@KK-ij4mz It's because they can't afford them. That's not a good thing for the economy. It means that they are also laying off in those companies.
@@patrickt49 It's because they know where the goods are made lol.
😂That is because of the return of Huawei.@@happymelon7129
Ah.....the good old days. Cheap Russian oil and gas, sell Mercedes, BMW, Audis to those rich Russian thugs and Chinese elites. And all done without restrictions! No wonder that these industrialists are so sad.The good old days are gone forever.
Michael Pettis analysis of China's economy is definitely worth reading up on. Basically, China's issues are structural, where the economy is designed to move money away from its citizens (consumption) and funnel it to investment (savings). "Savings" is not some chinese cultural quirk - they like to spend money as much as anybody. "Savings" is the economic concept for fiscal investment vs fiscal consumption. It's apparently very difficult to change an investment driven economic model to a consumption model.
'They like to spend money as much as anyone else' does not sound like the Chinese.😊 In 2023 savings by the chinese hit record highs. If you are not talking about reality what r u talking about
@ovariantrolley2327 It is a cultural thing. U can observe the same kind of behavior on oversea Chinese. Here in ASEAN, Chinese immigrants and their descendants are known for being generally richer than other ethnic groups due to A. They are better at making money and doing business B. They save a lot(occasionlly spend a lot) and like to prepare for rainy days. It has become a universal phenomenon in many ASEAN countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, and Indonesia where Chinese are either dominant groups (Singapore) or significant minorities(Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia). Chinese in other parts of the world like merrrica(a consumption driven economy Btw)is pretty much the same. So yea It is a cultural thing that the Chinese love to save money
People are saying that it's a cultural thing, how foolish.
Demand for high quality is more sustainable than low quality products.
Suggestion they are not capable of making high end products 😂
@@wyatthart2434ah yes the factories and nation which is asked to build the quality products by brands, can't build quality products. Makes sense. Maybe it's time to check if your brain can produce quality thinking. When British Empire feared the German Empires production capabilities, they created the term "Made in Germany" to fearmonger consumers to avoid it. Nowadays it is a praise. Same goes to China. The nation that produced quality products, exporting them for 3 millenia and continues to do so now and in the future. They produce what is asked for.
Straightforward and logical.
this guy is honest and brilliant.
Another example among many about how this expert's opinion is off the mark is that the world is running out of usable construction quality sand. After air and water, sand is the most used resource in the world. Even DW Documentary has posted a production about this acute impending shortage of sand. How can we expect to see GDP based mainly on construction of large scale infrastructure projects to continue without sand?
Back in game?
Happy Easter!
I’m wondering how is the local government supposed to shift their income to households. As far as I know local governments have been going on by selling land to developers to finance themselves and investments because they had low capacity of income. This is also represented by the high level of debt local governments have accumulated which also meant insolvency for some of them.
Carnegie pronounced correctly puts the emphasis on the second syllable
China’s factory exports are powering ahead faster than almost anyone expected, putting jobs around the world in jeopardy and setting off a backlash that is gaining momentum. From steel and cars to consumer electronics and solar panels, Chinese factories are finding more overseas buyers for goods. The world’s appetite for its goods is welcomed by China, which is enduring a severe downturn in what had been the economy’s biggest driver of growth: building and outfitting apartments. But other countries are increasingly concerned that China’s rise is coming partly at their expense, and are starting to take action.
So, they interview a china based state employee about numbers given by the Chinese bureau of statistics which is known for their rather "optimistic" calculations?
Together with the US, China has the most number of glo--bal economists and analysts going through its economy's data with a fine c--omb using a myriad of methodologies and data points. GDP is never 100% accu--rate for any economy but I can't dev-iate much for a large economy like this with so many people analyzing it. Many full time.
Ironic considering they're always interviewing Germans and Americans about what's going on in China..
@k.k.c8670 unlike US's government's data which is open to public examination, the chinese government data is "trust me bro". This is why the Chinese netizens were openly mocking government claim to 5.2% growth for 2023 despite government censorship working overtime.
@@dywang32we have many Americans and Germans who will do anything for a dollar
They should've asked a white German instead
pettis is my guy on china!
😂😂😂😂
Dude has good music taste with some Chinese indie-rock posters back there.
Sorry, a quick question about saving rate... Assuming people don't put their savings in a tin can under their beds... With countless wonderful infrastructure and buildings (um... Some are still building in progress), where does the money come from (apart from the investment banks outside China)? If those things are built using money from Chinese banks, do you think the people can still withdraw their money and start spending? Sorry that I don't have any data on this but this is really a question I wanna ask
Have you heard of a mortgage? How about spending less than you earn and saving the rest? Those habits have not gone out of style.
china, like us and japan, can always issue more money for goods and/or service it deems necessary. It's called monetary sovereignty
@@k.k.c8670sorry... I don't understand... If you count on the general public to spend more, you want them to start spending their savings or borrow money, right? So, my point is... where does the money come from? Banks? How much more could Chinese banks lend out? Don't you think the Chinese banks had lent out a lot to build bridges and empty houses?
@@ZETA14.88who want to keep rmb instead of usd?
It's internal debt, so it can be cleared at any time. External debt to foreigners is problematic, because printing money returns as inflation. Chinese bridges and houses get used and lived in. It's not a problem. ALL of the so-called "ghost cities" are thriving. China just likes to plan and build ahead on a much bigger scale than most. It's the same as building a new house vs renovating the one you're living in, but on a city-wide scale.
If China invests too much and foreign direct investment is declining, isn't that a good thing?
More money never hurts
We all know, USSR "split" in 1991....Is a Collapsing China....going the USSR way....??
Like the guy said, China's investment in infrastructure isn't very profitable, like their massive overinvestment in housing. If the investment is never going to return your money or some other form of profit, it's money wasted.
Great video. Michael Pettis is a great guest. Invite him again.
The "problem" is they have too much savings. Wow when has that ever been a problem lol
What he said is true high tech is mostly used for commercial and security purpose now a days and is highly used as sanction tools. Long term it is essential but for general population they have already reached the peak of its usefulness. For population rich economy there are lot of other sectors that is losing focus due to the tech mainly infrastructure, energy, food, medical, finance etc.. the amount of tech needed for this sector is now enough. An hyper sonic missile can work with 6 year behind technology.
And important point people in this comment section simply dont understand is that he as an economy expert is saying that high tech is the big story but a nations economy is not high tech only. It is rather small portion compared to all the important industries. And a lot of chips used are simple chips too which a lot of companies produce Question to comment section: are you going to eat microchips? Are you going to build foundations and houses with microchips? Are you heating with microchips fuels? Are you wearing microchips as clothing? Are you streets build with microchips material?
@@ReuterLliterally that is what I said.
@@iamnothing85 thats why it was an "And" comment. starting with the word
@@ReuterL Gotcha
Wonderful to see that DW can get hold of these real experts on China, Michael Pettis is one of the best on Chinese finance.
Source trust me bro
What was behind the better than expected growth is lies
When he says sustainability he is only talking about cash flow. He is not talking about environmental sustainability. Massive consumption is not environmentally sustainable.
No one wants to spend money because income isn't keeping up with cost of living. This is the problem everywhere. Everyone is too afraid to stand up to the rich.
“Savings” only kill domestic demand to support exports. Per MMT a currency sovereign like China finances thru deficit spending, the central bank issues credit to commercial banks to fund loans. Savings have little to do with financing commercial loans.
BIP and all those factors are a smoke screen - what counts is food, water, resources and people doing the production. China has plenty of all of it
I think the FDI is more important to Chinese elites because it's a source of foreign currency and knowledge transfer than actual need for investment funding. Unless there's something very wrong with the banking system in China, there's enough spare capital for investment. That doesn't mean there are enough good ideas where to invest though...
The Chinese economy was majorly aided by accelerating the domestic growth of the electric car industry. It likely filled in some of the void of the real estate industry, buuutttt, worldwide sales of EV is not growing exponentially. That said, it's good to hear that China's recession seems to be occuring at a milder pace so as to not cause a worldwide recession.
it doesnt matter. China doesnt need other market becuse their car domestic market is huge and ev growth in china is exponential
only less than 30 percent of all car expoerted from China were pure EVs, still huge volume of ICE cars, so really the EV slow down will not hurt the car export that much , you may not see alot chinese ICE car in US or EUROPE yet, but theuy are already seeling pretty well in Russia , SEA, south america and middle east
What recession? Where are the two quarters of negative growth?
Well, there is no "recession" in China to begin with. It is still growing at around 5% a year, a very fast pace for an economy at its GDP per capita level. Plotting growth rate against GDP per capita, China is performing similarly as South Korea, Malaysia and Turkey at the same stage of development. A recession is two quarters of negative growth. China hasn't had one for decades. It is more like European countries hit by an energy crisis of their own making that has led to the UK and Germany having recessions.
Why is it still called Peking University instead of Beijing University?
A lot of muyangqian there.
Because the university never changed the way its name is Romanised, even though in Chinese characters, the name has always been the same. It also doesn't matter. There is IIT Madras (not IIT Chennai) and IIT Bombay (not IIT Mumbai).
.......According to official chinese statistics.
According to the US State Department, there may not have been 30,000+ civilian deaths in Gaza.
According to whom? And please don't tell me according to their own data. That would be naive.
sour grape
@@fuzicastit’s fear, and desperation
Together with the US, China has the most number of glo--bal economists and analysts going through its economy's data with a fine c--omb using a myriad of methodologies and data points. GDP is never 100% accu--rate for any economy but I can't dev-iate much for a large economy like this with so many people analyzing it. Many full time.
@@k.k.c8670 That's bs for two 2 reasons. 1) Chinas baseline data is collected by local governments and send to Bejing. Since noone wants to lose the cushy job or make central government angry bad numbers are lowered and good numbers overreported. 2) All companies in China must have by law CCP representatives. They are the ones collecting the data and sending them to Bejing. And Bejing does everything to not embarrass itself on the world stage. For example data on youth unemployment were stopped last year for obvious reasons and it doesn't stop there.
@@AaronOkeanos are you an eminent economist or analyst?
All the productivity for things they cannot afford.
为什么翻译成中文，字幕就不显示了😢
Germany is so scared of China downfall😂😂
Before, I usually aggree to some of the points by Petis but now majority of them are not making sense and in fact counter intuitive if you want to build a modern economy in this coming century. Since Michael Petis is classically economist with neo classical perspective and have not technical background, I think that's why he's raising some highly mistaken points here that I will be highlighting. 1. For an economy that's transitioning to a high income and developed economy which is China is right now, science, innovation and technology sector is the most important to invest. This is what Micahel Pettis is wrong where he mentioned that high tech is not very important to the economy in general. If there is no lack in innovation and highly dependent on non-valuable service economy (like ubers drivers, financialization of economy), your economy will remain stagnant and that's what's happening in western economy. Bear in mind, Petis that although China accounts about 17% of world's manufacturing, China is still lagging behind in some high value added manufacturing sectors like Semiconductors & Aerospace. If your economy is highly innovative and have more chunk of high tech sectors, a high value service oriented economy will follow through. Because this science, tech & innovation will disrupt the economy as what this EVs are doing and will create a new opportunity & jobs for the economy. That's how modern economy was created, we won't have programmers if there's no computers and will just stick for typewriters, if you get what I mean. In fact these so called low value service jobs you're talking like online peddlers, uber drivers, etc are in fact the impact and result of investments and innovation because smartphones was commodified and the advancement of communication via internet. So in my opinion, CHINA is in fact in right direction in which majority of their investments is now concentrated to high tech, science & innovation sectors of manufacturing. From the latest statistics, real estate is now down around 19% of GDP while high tech manufacturing accounts 14.3% of the GDP. With this they're are on target for the high tech manufacturing to have bigger share over real estate by next year. Considering the real estate flatline growth and majority of credit flow to manufacturing now than real estate. Hence, China is in the midst of re orientation of their economy to a more sustainable and high value added path. 2. I agree that China has high savings rate but saying FDI is not that important is a mistake. Although, China can self sustain to invest itself without relying to FDI, it would be much better to have FDI as supplementary as you transition towards a more consumption based economy.
DW should invite you not those China Hands
Re 1. Pettis is talking about high tech sector being small part relative to the size of the Chinese economy, to achieve desired 5% growth China needs around 1000 new unicorns each year. Second problem is that world doesn't want to accommodate Chinese surpluses due to its size + political reasons , USA, Europe, Japan, Korea, India, Brazil, are already putting trade barriers what's left is not that much and usually with poor credit rating. Without domestic consumers to buy Chinese goods the factories will close.
If you are worried about there not being enough absorption of Chinese goods just wait till much physical labor is done by robots! We may end up where goods get almost down to the cost of the base materials used to make them. Then what happens?
Houses should be for living not for making money, I am with china on cracking down on the real estate bubble
cracking down?😂 you made it sounds like they want it to happen?
@@norm701 they did, the government intentionally didn't bail out the real estate private sector when they could have easily done so like the US did in 2008, but xi chose not to because they were very corrupt and the real estate bubble was getting out of control, xi said a house is for living not for speculation, he wants people to invest in productive sectors of the economy like high tech and clean energy instead of housing, that's the real economy, it's better to deflate the real estate bubble now than let it go too big, I believe this approach will be most beneficial for China in the long run
@@HasnaaAlaaAgreed China less when it says growth is 5% . Real growth in China is 50% . U are correct China always under reports . If china says is not growing , it means china is hiding is growth of 100% .
China is focus in moving up the value chain into EV cars, green energy, computer chips and large scale ship building. You lost me when you said it was not important. It is VERY IMPORTANT. It is the MAIN REASON for the trade war with US. That is, China is moving up and take the cake! At this point, China is focus in taking the cake from Japan, South Korea and Germany (Germany knows it and wants to get involved in investing heavy in China). And China is also expanding the cake in Middle East, Africa and South America (easier to access but slightly, only slightly lower profit margin) And above all, China is pushing out Western high end product suppliers in China. They just recently announced that they will ban the sales of Intel and AMD chips in the name of "national security". Wow, US politics backfires in China. China is systematically avoiding US Market for these high end products. If the trend continues, US will not be able to get the affortable and new high end products from China. There is nothing wrong with that as long as US can produce their own affortble high end products. But I suspect that is the case. Instead they will get the same Chinese products through Vietnam and Mexico to avoid the 25% tax increase. And have to endure the high inflation.
China didn't ban Intel & AMD from the general market, just government offices. Same with the restriction on Apple iPhones - consumers can buy, but government officials can't use. The big one is commercial aviation. Comac is going to eat Boeing's lunch! The C919 is brand new vs the obsolete 737, and will likely get the lion's share of sales across the Global South.
When you make your ppl work so hard they dont need anything else except a bed
你開心就好 (as long as you are happy) 我們還很多事要幹 (We still have a lot to work with)
I was traveling in Guangdong a month ago. On Friday evenings, I wouldn't be able to get a fast train ticket from Guangzhou to Shenzhen. The fast train takes 30 minutes and the slow train takes over an hour. The fast train tickets would be booked up days in advance. That's how busy it still is at this time.
I think it was because of Chinese new year.
this guy knows what hes talking about. not often DW brings in a knowledgeable guest
AI just drove one of the biggest rallies in stock history and he is downplaying it.
He literally addressed that. Stock market is not consumption. Also economically High Tech is not in everyones food, groceries, construction, material, infrastructure, daily use items, fuel. Everyone talks about how Chips are everywhere. They are in many items but they are not essential in most of them. Just bc my water boiler has a chip doesnt mean it drives the economy. Additionally, most chips used are simple chips which dont require TSMC, Nvidia, intel and AMD. Sometimes it is simply best to just listen to the expert and try to understand them than making smartass wrong statements
USA must be having chest pains
Why china is in this position because of the US we just didn't expect them to turn on the system that built them.
Why? Because of 1 plot on a graph? First off, the US and China are still big trading partners. Many businesses and infrastructure projects in the US relies on Chinese goods, why would anyone involved in these projects want China to fail? Additionally, there’s still a hefty amount of investments in China securities, why would anyone want their investments to fail?
@@TriggaTrey361 China have no ideology anymore Western country still cannot escape their ideology
doubt it, since data from the CCP is worthy of toilet paper only. And DW is a known German Govt apparatus which does what the current Govt tells them to do. Scholtz has been a big friend to China and the CCP in particular. Scholtz sold the port of Hamburg to the Chinese state. What a Guy!!!
We all know, USSR "split" in 1991....Is a Collapsing China....going the USSR way....??
China and Japan has the same problem of too much household savings and prudent spending. I think mainly because of the turmoil history and lack of a institutional safety net like what the West have.
I am going to china. There is tianjin city. Fa mouse capital of all China. I'd rather go to china than go to Singapore.
Western media should not evaluate China based on western standard and system.
Very insightful and objective opinion without western stereotype bias.
What if people were just tired of owning "things".
That’ll be the day. Can’t even convince people to forgo physical for digital
shifting GDP from the public sector to the private sector? no it's not gonna happen mate
DW should make a documentary comparing todays china and Germany before WW1
China 0 recession China 0 inflation Usa recession Uk recession France recession Germany recessing India recession Taiwan recession
Chinese people have been consuming in excess housing that they saw as great investments. Now there are hundreds of millions of vacant apartments that are looking like they’ll only be a loss. I can understand they want to save in gold, crypto, foreign company stock.
Similarly of their EV industry . Too much output slow to small sales
We are in a global economic downturn. Let’s remember that context
Great quality Copium on display here... this is how you professionally Cope
Shift in income = common prosperity? Hard for governments to pull, but probably not for CCP
I think it is not about givong to middle class. It could be done naturally if government is not pulling those useless big businesses. Corruption in other words
Real estate is not high tech, they are different. Real over produced products are American wheat, corn etc that is why US beg China to buy.
Everytime onwards, after Chinese New Year, consumption rises because the overall spirit of the Chinese is rejuvenated to look forward better prospects after the new year period restarts.
A good interview.
I think Michael's read is on point. I was back in China during the new years and judging by the crowds in the malls, that was the most domestic demand they can expect for quite a while.
So the problem is that people are not spending money unnecessarily? Might come as a huge surprise to the consumerist Western world but this is how we do things in Asia.
They have high savings because old people save for retirement. They are screwed
I don't know how he could say government retain around 0% of GDP when governments tax at an average of 30% for any transaction. Retain what in their pockets?
But they're not _retaining it_... most western governments are running at a deficit, rather than developing a surplus. A good number of them have even been selling off state assets.
The government doesn't retain those taxes they give them to the ultra wealth and corporations.
Excellent DW!!!!
China is likely cooking the books
Source ? Proof ?.
It's almost as if deflation isn't the boogeyman that Western economists claim it is. 2% monetary inflation is 2% theft from all who use the currency. Deflation is often caused by increases in productivity. The USA is the biggest importer; China is the biggest exporter.
Why not report economic crash on the US, EU, UK and Australia? Their unemployment, their homeless, their drug zombies,the recent genocides, their all year long war, so much to talk about, why China? Envy?
it is very obvious, if China listens to this guy in the show, or any of his alikes, China would have become another Argentina.
非常对，打着自由主义的旗帜把国民经济的命脉交给跨国大公司是非常烂的主意！
True. Look at what happened to Russia and Ukraine in the 1990s when they did as Western economists suggested. China is right to do its own thing and ignore the "noise". Western economists haven't even been good to the Western working class or middle class in the last 40 years. Neoliberalism is a proven sham. The Western worker would be better off with China's economic policies than the voodoo economic that they have been fed since the end of the Cold War.
Middle class and poor are Modern slaves 😔
where? in your country
Like India where their richest men are even richer than those in China?😂😂😂😂taking about inequality
@@blankspace1126it is true 😢but why are you laughing
@@adamsaciid4919china. Look up lying down protest
I mean... it is this way since feudalism, i guess? I don't see many economic models today that even try this facts or fight inequality in any way. Let's take a look, a model that fights agsinst a class based society. Capitalism? No... this one is in the name i guess..., the capitalist class get's to decide everything on this one... in fact they thrive on inequality. Maybe there is another economic model that fights against this inequalit?. Maybe put it as the final goal of their ideology too. Let me see... a society without class division? Hmm.. one in which everyone is a worker and there is not a class proffiting off capital without working or by inherething their power... I don't know. There is no such a thing like this in the western world so maybe it does not exists...
For XJP, the consumer economy does not matter, the traits described here clearly show one thing - China is preparing for war. High youth unemployment and high industrial capacity are the means by which governments can prime their national economy for prolonged military conflict.
Where does that leave the US?
The "high youth unemployment" was artificially high due to students looking for jobs to get pocket money. China now excludes full-time students from the calculation. This wasn't an issue a decade ago, because China didn't have as many people going to university or advanced degrees. Now, they do. This type of adjustment is typical for America and other Western countries, as well. An American teenager or college looking for a part-time job isn't unemployed, so neither is her Chinese counterpart.
@@botshelomoatshe3153 In the case of an actual military conflict, the US is in big trouble. If you look at history, wars are generally won by the country with a larger population and greater industrial capacity. China has 4x the population of the US, but could "collapse" to as little as 3.5x over several decades. China has several times the manufacturing capacity, at least 10x the automation, and 200x the shipbuilding capacity. If war were to break out, and China were to shift to a wartime economy, they could churn out advanced automated drone weapons on a scale the world has never seen. OTOH, the US has lost a much of the know-how required to build large volumes of heavy industrial goods, and it's disappearing faster with every passing day. The native US birth rate is declining just as fast as China's, although the US is taking in a lot of immigrants to keep the population up. If you look at the basics of people and weapons, China has a comprehensive advantage over the USA, and a war would only exacerbate things.
The high youth unemployment is because college graduates don’t want to work at factories so I doubt they would prefer a war job than a factory ones unless the military is willing to pay what the average college graduates earn, because of the one china policy a lot of parents can afford to help their kids because they aren’t employed or studying. This is my understanding has a foreigner.
It's also because China is getting offshored, meaning less orders and jobs in general.
China isn't doing its job of transforming its economy into a consumption-based one through increasing minimum wages and social safety nets, but dumping excess manufactured goods abroad while destroying the manufacturing bases in Europe and the US, no different from what Japan did in the 1980s.
It is only possible to switch into consumption-based one after USD crash.
Economies based on consumption are not considered sustainable or beneficial practices.
Global inflation is still high
whose expectation? lol
Laughed out loud because yesterday I watched a news outlet saying China was at rock bottom because of its poor policies 😂 the media can’t make up its mind
He’s a professor at Peking University - what else would he say?
@@kevoreilly6557Yeah, why believe someone actually lives over those ”experts” who can’t even find China on a map?
We want reciprocity with the Chinese, it is not normal that a Chinese can have a real property right in France, in Spain in the USA and that the French, the Spaniard, the American can never have a real real estate property rights in China.
No,foreigners are allowed to own one residential property for own dwelling purpose.Chinese nationals are not allowed to own farmlands in the States....All country has their own rules...go google before you post anything !
China is the biggest investor in the world. China is investing in Africa, global South, in Europe's infrastructure, factories, ports (14 the largest ones). China owns over 10 percent of US national debt and keeps buying US treasury bonds. China's industry now is in the much better position than European industry because of cheap commodities and energy from Russia, Kazakhstan, India, Brasil and Africa where China heavily invested in the last 10-15 years.
You can do a lot of magic tricks with a planned economy.