EV Road Trip Race! Lucid Air vs Tesla Model S vs Porsche Taycan - Race To Vegas Return
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This is the one to watch! The Race to Vegas road trip race between 3 of the best long range electric vehicles is here and it's epic! Enjoy the Lucid Air Grand Touring vs Porsche Taycan RWD vs Tesla Model S Plaid
0:00 - Hello & Welcome
4:53 - Testing Procedures / Specs / Setup
26:24 - The Race To Vegas (reverse) Is On!
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@@Craigi123Something tells me all three of them would go with the Taycan or Air.
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Kyle: AHHH FULL SEND; Colton: AHHH DONT WANT TO SHARE POWER; Ryan: It’s like an angry frog hahah; I f***ing loved this video.
Hahaha
Isn't the Lucid limited on Tesla Superchargers too? It will still be at a disadvantage.
@@a.j.robertson4623yes Lucid has horrible hardware
no its because its 800v and tesla is only 400v dont know how its bad hardware when its 25-50% more efficient than the model s@@leanderzulu3494
Tesla superchargers can't handle the voltage Lucid needs yet. Version 4 superchargers should fix that.
So if you have CCS, you do your homework, research all the chargers, read the forums, and push it to the limit, then it's a coin flip between losing to the Tesla by a few hours, and losing to the Tesla by a few minutes.
Great comment. This made me laugh! Fact is often funnier than fiction.
And if you have chademo just cry in a corner
Truly one of the most fun adventures I’ve done, huge shoutout to both Kyle and Ryan for optimizing every last bit of juice these cars had making this a epic race! What a freakin blast this was!
Thank u for making us proud, Colton! 😁
Colton, Ryan, and Kyle make a great road trip team! 52K views for a 3 hour video is darn good!
Crazy how much station knowledge you need just to drive the Lucid
No sh-t. Brutal.
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I CANNOT believe I just spent THREE AND ONE HALF hours of my life watching this! I kept thinking I’d fast forward to the end. But as you all exclaimed over and over and over and over again and again, it was “freakin’ epic!” Bravo!!!
Same first time I fully watch a video this long, overall great video no regrets!
Good to listen to while doing something else. 😊
Three hours I would never get back. Based on the first four minutes of the blather, I knew I would never make it another minute further.
CCS charging is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.
Box of cheap chocolates! Unreal how unreliable it can be.
Mamma always told me Signet is as Signet surges.
@@Ed20942 😁
CCS chargers and CCS cars goes together like peas and carrots.
@@kevincurry4735 😅
2:30:53 this is the moment Kyle fumbled in his own end zone. You can see how gutted he is that he miscalculated which charger is at Frisco. This really shows how passionate Kyle is about what he does. Bravo Kyle. It is really hard to optimize charging like you do.
Lucid is so hard to optimize in the current charging station setting, if there were another driver driving it, it would be smoked big time. Honestly Lucid should gave something to Kyle.
it's bceause of signet chargers, not the car@@suvari225
But if the expert in consumer charging needs to think this much to figure it out, hows the average consumer supposed to figure it out?
@@anhta31they don’t. they just pay attention to the car trip planner or A Better Route Planner. Unless it’s a Tesla, it’ll be very error prone and frustrating.
I really hope they do this race again once all of the EVs can all use the Tesla charging network.
Tesla restricts the Lucid charging speeds compared to EA, when the charger is working properly
@@jackylsmith8138a Lucid can’t use a Tesla DC charger 🔌 yet. It won’t do anything right now.
I think Tesla will increase the voltage on V3 so they can handle high volt batteries like lucid, taycan and the EGMP platform.
@@LearningFastI it can with magic dock superchargers
@@stevenichols4639They can't increase the voltage on V3s without changing the DC cabinets first.
Probably the first time I watched a KZhead video that was 3 and a half hours long without skipping forward.
Now a race to Vegas in reverse would be interesting……… backing up all the way would give the reversing cams a work out!
with 16mph speed limit will take a few business days to get there
This is a fantastically fun video. Can't believe I just watched it all at 2* speed which made it seem even more frantic 🤣
For me, one of the best aspects to this video was the cooperative competition instead of cut-throat competition. This made it far more enjoyable.
Well done Kyle for putting this together! 👏🏻 Great race - keep doing these, and long videos work very well. Kyle sending it at every opportunity 😂. This channel must have one of the highest percentage retention rate on long format 2 hour plus videos on KZhead.
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I’d like to test the route planner and make a rule that you have to do what it recommends. That’s the way normal people will use them. Most people don’t have the specific expertise your team does.
I love this idea.
100% agree
Totally agreed
Ganapathy is the real winner.
Yes lol
Wow! Out of all of the races so far this one was my favorite. Crappy EA and traffic and one exit difference made this a real nail biter. Thank you Kyle and team for making these epic videos. I could never travel as much as you and you make it very educational and entertaining. I will get an electric because of this channel one day.
“Race to Vegas in reverse” “Race to Clear Detailing” “Race to Fort Collins” “Race to Windsor” How about… “Race FROM Vegas?” 😂
I was literally just thinking that
Yes, that's what I was thinking. Just call it Race From Vegas.
1350 Miles in 24 hours in a 2018 Model 3 AWD LR. We got the call, my mom was in hospice, only a few days to live. After a couple of bad overnight drives, we have always stayed at hotel. We decided this trip warranted an over night drive. The Model 3 and the supercharger network performed flawlessly. The two things that stood out was autopilot and how comfortable the seats where for the passenger to sleep. We averaged 57 MPH. It was mostly in the Northeast and the Midwest, where the speed limits are 65-70 versus 75-80 for the race. The faster speeds might change the average speed.
I think I head the words “ripped, charging curve, and epic” more in these 3 videos than in my entire life😂. Enjoyed every minute of it.
Wow, I can’t believe I sat and watched about 97% of this video without skipping through!!! I guess I better get back to work…😬
The fact that you all made this video with such passion and posted it is proof that EVs are not ready for prime time and gasoline powered cars are still king now and for at least the next decade.
Have you considered using the updated a better route planner (ABRP) and super charger info webpages? The best ABRP route planning for the Model S Plaid appears to be Beaver, UT (250 kW for 30 minutes), Green River, UT (150 for 21), Parachute, CO (250 for 13), and Edwards, CO (250 for 19). (83 charging minutes) In dire contrast, the Tesla Trip Planner suggests St. George, UT (250 for 15), Beaver, UT (250 for 10), Richfield, UT (150 for 25 ONLY 4 STALLS), Green River, UT (150 for 20), Grand Junction, CO (150 for 25), and Glenwood Springs, CO (150 for 55). (153 charging minutes). That is an extra 70 minutes of charging and 2 more stops (est. 20 minutes of driving time) using the Tesla Trip Planner. Clearly the Tesla Trip Planner is not ready for prime time trip planning.
It seemed like Colton had ABRP on his iPhone for backup but didn't deviate too much from Tesla's trip planning. Agreed on ABRP being pretty good when it comes to calculating charging stops. For me in an EV6 with no route planning, ABRP is a godsend.
If Kyle had drove the Taycan he probably would had won this race. He never would charge a Taycan to 94% to arrive with 17% at the next stop. But anyway great race, nice run form everyboady and thanks to all of you, it was a pleasure to watch.
Great video, thanks for doing this race! Would be interested to know if there’s another area of the country where the results would be way different, either due to charging, terrain, or some other variable.
I think you are doing a fantastic job of teaching EV owners that you can reach places with less than 5% rather than the human tendency to start panicking at 20%, However, in the real world, almost nobody has your deep knowledge of volts, amps and watts in relation to charging speed, miles/kw, kw/mile etc etc. Not every journey is a Cannonball run and not every driver has the colossal breadth of your knowledge of which chargers work how etc.
Not a good habit less than 5% for sure.
This might be the best week ever! So many long videos! I love it!!!
Well... 3 hours of my work day will be this running in the background! Cheers Out of Spec!
Moral of the story, Google Maps > Apple Maps
Thank you for posting it as one video instead of breaking it up. That was absolutely fantastic. Thank you Kyle, Coleton and Ryan. Looking forward to next race to Vegas. Would be fun to see you do a tow to Vegas video when you get your hands on R1T, Lightning, Silverado and CyberTruck
Can’t wait to watch this whole video. This is a great test and a really entertaining video.
great race... things got really exciting when you were all at the Edwards station at the same time. The ending just shows that all 3 models are great
This is the best content on youtube. You all did really well and kept the excitement going right to the end.
Great data and an awesome video! Would love to see a vdeo of all cars sharing the same price category. Also curious to see howthese things shake out when charging is actually reliable all around.
What an interesting journey! Thanks a lot for sharing this in such level of detail. Is there a particular reason why the Taycan was not driven in its most efficient „Range“ mode?
This was just brilliant! Watched it all in one stretch! Very well done, guys 👏🏾👏🏾 👏🏾
Thanks for the great series. What a great ending. Thoroughly enjoyed watching! 👏
Great video! I am worried about the windshield chip on the Taycan... I hope it can be easily fixed :)
Great race and what an ending! Congratulations on editing this beast too! 🤣
Man, This was epic! I cannot believe that I just spent all that amount of time watching this but I just loved every single minute of it. Well done to all of you and to sum up I guess you could say "it's not about the car but all about the infrastructure". super entertainment!
That ending!!!! Fastest 3.5 hours of my life ha
3 spectacular hrs later and man I really enjoyed this video. I streamed it like a Netflix movie😂 and the best part was the tension building up at the end of the video. All these cars are wonderful. 🔥🔥
Greatest skill of Kyle is surrounding himself with awesomely nice people. Thoroughly enjoyed the 3 part mini series.
Great video guys, very informative. Answers a lot of questions i had getting into a possible EV at some point. Especially long distance runs. Now, just a waiting period for CT production. Good stuff!
How are you talking about driving without AC y’all sound crazy and nobody has a SUNROOF
Hate the glass roofs…
Great covering and watched it as the end of my working week - also the length is great, don't chop it up. It was really close at the end which is the best for a tense race movie :)
This is the VERY FIRST video I've watched from you. And It WAS 3 Hours and 33 minutes long... I watched every second and enjoyed all of it. Thank you!🙃😃
always amazed when i see how different the traveling styles are, comparing europe and the US.
You all make the best videos, excellent content for a Friday afternoon
Great video with great editing to make this 6 hr experience make sense chronologically. 👏🏼 👍🏽
Epic! Great video. Ryan is awesome…..his presentation skills have really improved.
Wow this video was so cool to watch. Seeing the different stops happening then all arriving within 20 minute window is quite impressive.
Luv you guys and especially your road trips!! Grief though, practicality got motion sick with Ryan's crazy vid 🤪
I started watching this 4am. Went to work at 5. Worked 8 hrs, came home cut the grass and watched the last two hours. I don’t own an electric vehicle, however, this was extremely entertaining. The editing was on point. Great job on that. Next should be a cannonball run for EV. That would be awesome.
What an epic race! Entertaining and fun to watch!
The whole intro speech is about being worried about charging
Great video. Loved it. 2 questions? Why did you guys did not drive to soc towards 2% before charging for faster charging ? Why do long deep charges vs smaller charging sessions but at faster charging rate?
This was comparable if not better then a full night movie. Congrats! It was amazing to see for long trips what are the different platforms are capable of.
I just finished two road trips in our Tesla MY and had the same experience with the estimated arrival being inaccurate. This was the first time I’ve seen it happen so I wonder if it is related to the software build. I just got the 2023.26 build, maybe they fixed it?
Kyle....first off...THANKS SO MUCH!!!! for the content you create and what you do for the EV community. I love watching the Out of Spec channels and your content is very informative and entertaining. Second...I have an idea for you. Now that we have seen what expert road trippers can do in these cars, I think the public and I would love to see what would happen if this race was done from a different perspective. That is, making the same trip but doing as a Non-road tripping expert. Just punching in your destination and following the car's trip planner. Let's see how long it would take the car and the charging infrastructure to get just your normal Joe that knows nothing about EV road tripping to the destination and/or back. After all the goal of most, if not all, EV manufacturers is to make it as easy and simple to travel with these cars as possible. I hope you will consider my suggestion.
Unfortunately trip planning is a necessity for any EV driver. If you choose more budget options, some EVs don't even give you a competent trip planner at all (like E-GMP cars with Gen 5W infotainment system). The best solution I'd say is just to use ABRP (a better route planner) and not bother with most in-car nav or trip planning.
@@ArtiePenguin1 I have been driving a Tesla for 4 years now. Travel up and down the East Coast many times and I simply follow the Tesla default trip planning and have never had an issue. Are you saying I would have a problem in a Tesla going coast to coast? Or are you saying if you drive a non-Tesla, you have to plan your trip? Honest question.
@tomkennedy3123 No, my comment was only referring to most non-Teslas requiring trip planning. There are only a few manufacturers who do trip planning almost as good as Tesla. Some like Polestar and Porche come to mind.
What a fantastic series guys. Incredibly educational and this is the kind of content that will really help with EV adoption in the future. EV companies need to downplay the “total range at 100%” number. I understand that marketing wise it is what ICE drivers understand but the usefulness of the driving distance on a 100% charge is interesting at best and misleading at worst. I hope they focus on and improve the overall charging curve of these vehicles. How fast my EV can DC charge from 1%-80% is a far more important metric than overall miles. The longer an EV can hold 250-350Kw during a charging session creates far more time savings on road trips than the extra mileage you may get one time off your 100% home charge. When I roadtrip in my EV I still never charge to 100% at home because I charge up as much as I need to to comfortably get to my first charging stop and then begin the charger hopping experience. I get that for serious road warriors stopping every 150 miles is not acceptable, but for those of us with kids and pets it’s hardly a sacrifice. I just want those stops to be 1) filled with reliable charging infrastructure that delivers the kw it advertises, 2) the car charging curve to accept that max power for as long as possible before massively tapering off (up to 70%-80% would be amazing), and 3) there to be some minimal amenities where we stop for food and bathroom breaks. Can’t wait for your next series like this.
Fantastic videos. I watched all three episodes. The editing and commentary on this was possibly the best I have ever seen on Out of Spec. The finish was epic and again your editing and capturing that tiree squealing finish left me sweaty-handed. And as you pointed out the Tesla Super Charger network really shined here which has been my experience. I have taken quite a few long trips in my Mode Y and while I have learned a lot of skills about how to road trip efficiently from watching these videos I am no way in the league of you three. What a race!
Nice job guys, good to see these vehicles pushing their limits. Thanks
Very exciting episode- bravo ! Interesting how close it was - and the difference charging strategies needed for cars
Loved the long video!!! such a good time racing with friends!
I love road trip videos…. This was well done and very entertaining. Great job fellas!
I can't believe I binge-watched hours of video about EV nerds racing to and from Las Vegas. Very nicely done!
No criticisms here, totally fair assessment of DCFC on that route. The only conclusions that can be drawn though is that with THIS particular style of road tripping (trying to make a trip in one day as fast as possible with minimal breaks) is that the Lucid and Taycan are within 6 minutes of a Tesla even with the bad charging infrastructure. Also most Tesla owners don't have free supercharger charging like you do @outofspecmotoring , so I think one must consider the big picture, that the Taycan is a super cool Porsche with better than EPA range but less comfort and space and range than the Lucid, and the Tesla is the tecchy noisy bumpy car that has great charging experiences but otherwise lacks the elegance and relaxation of the Lucid. So would most road trippers say "wow, I'll say forget the Taycan and Lucid cuz the Tesla won by 6 minutes"? I sincerely doubt it.
This is the best 3.5 hour video on YT, no contest.
That was so worth watching to the end! Incredible finish. Apple Maps!! Well done guys. Great effort!
What a great show from all to keep the viewer engaged from beginning to the last second. Thanks for sharing.
What a great video. Made all the miles on the treadmill go by without a thought! OOS makes great stuff, this one kind of felt like grown-up Stand By Me. Let’s see a $33,000 Ioniq 6 RWD on 18’s take them all down!!!!!!! Thanks Ryan, Colton and Kyle!
Fun to watch, I watched it in 2 parts, liked it in one part, if I had time I would have watch the entire thing! Exciting, great job guy’s ❤️ great content
Entertaining content! But If these cars were so close in a 12hr race, then it doesn't matter in terms of which one is a good road tripper. All of these are good. Kyle was complaining about Lucid most of the time. But I would take the comfort of lucid any day on such long trips.
Kind of surprised me how good the Porsche did. I figured the Tesla would do better simply due to charging statons. Like significantly better. I'd take the Lucid myzelf. Hopefully they don't go bankrupt as for all intent and purposes I have read they are the better cars, but Tesla can pop out new cars faster with newer innovations. Now I want to see other EVs. Seen a new vehicle on the road a month ago. Didn't know what it was as the vehicle had a logo I've never seen, but it was an EV due to the acceleration, and looked absolutely sick. Turned out to be a Kia EV6 GT and I couldn't believe it. I detested Kias my whole life. Cars of uber woke college kids. Crap range, but it is ridiculously fast for the price. Yet I would buy it just cause it is supposed to be really fun to deive.
@dianapennepacker6854 The lucid had a pile of issues while they filmed this, crazy unreliable. Also Kyle needed an encyclopedia of knowledge on charges to keep it close. This is why Kyle said tesla was the best at the end.
This is the Formula one of EV racing, love these competitions!
What a blast to watch Thank You guys
Watched the entire video. It kept the suspense all the way to the end, and what an ending indeed!
To use Kyle's favorite word: EPIC video especially the ending with the Taycan and Lucid racing to the finish. I had a blast watching.
I'd love to see this test each year, so see how (if) it's improving. I love watching the cannonball ones for the same reason
How does longevity turn out.. That would be great to get some comparisonz..
those 3 and a half hours went by fast, really enjoy these long videos
What an epic race/road trip and video. This is your best yet on the Motoring channel. Please, more of these videos! The style of editing really helped us viewers experience what you three did on that epic day. I'd like to see a redux video and maybe do one with a $60k price limit. I'd so love to see the EV6 pitted against the Model Y.
A real great challenge...simply amazing...thanks from Italy!!!
Epic race, I'm from France and finally has the same feeling, tesla superchargers make your life so easy. I did 1200km in 2 days with a small model3 sr+ and it was a nice and smooth experience. Your 3 hours video required me to split the viewing in several times but it is nice to come back to it as soon as you have a break and enjoy that race. Good job... I was listening to the tires screaming on arrival, was really fun and suspens was there, I was even afraid of an accident occurring with these powerful cars... Take care, and once again, good job.;-)
I really enjoy these kind of races! Keep them going! 🔝 😊
Excellent race guys! Very interesting & entertaining!
Great video! Back in July of last year these were the three cars that were on my short list. Lucid was #3, Porsche was #2. The Plaid was my selection in large part because of the superior charging network. I've done 9,500 miles of road tripping since then, my longest road trip was 4,700 miles during Thanksgiving week, and not once did I have to wait for a charger. I don't know about the other cars, but the Plaid was so smooth and comfortable I've had four 1,000+ mile drive days.
You guys are fricking insane!!!! I’m so jealous, and at the same time so happy for watching these 3 videos as a spectator. The last one is epic, even being a 3.5+ hours!!!!! 😅😅😅 Thank you so much for all the content specially to Kyle, but today to the three of you! Greetings from a Spaniard living in south Cal. 👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼
Great trip and interesting results.
I wonder if the Tesla Model S LR would have been significantly faster than the Plaid?
As a MSLR owner who road trips constantly, I have zero doubts that it would have been faster. And not by a little.
@@AK-zd6yrI’m a mS-LR owner too and wonder why it would be much faster. Is it greater efficiency not pulling a 3rd motor and 19” wheels for more miles per kW?
@@johnpoldo8817 I understand that the motors in the MSLR are different from those in the Plaid and more efficient, especially in the rear.
Epic Race! Of course my favorites came in 1st n 2nd
Great race overall. I think maybe next race you guys should do a 2023 ID4 and a model 3 LFP race to Vegas. I feel like with the faster speeds of the ID4 it may stand a little bit of a chance against the model 3 LFP pack if the charging network is working well.
I learned a lot! Thank you for the video!
Awesome video, chaps. Watched the whole thing.
3:26:00 The ending was awsome with so close between second and third place.
Great real-world contest! Well done!
Very Good Race
Great video Kyle. Thanks.
This was sooo epic worth every second amazing finish