America's Failure in Afghanistan: 20 Years of Occupation | Animated History

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    @TheArmchairHistorian@TheArmchairHistorian8 ай бұрын
    • Austro Prussian War?????

      @mr.hedado741@mr.hedado7418 ай бұрын
    • Tank

      @Ramosway2@Ramosway28 ай бұрын
    • can you do iraq fight against dash sometime

      @WFootyEdits@WFootyEdits8 ай бұрын
    • The amazing video and your animation became better and better . Please make a video in more parts, name Military occupations by the Soviet Union. Part 1 Soviet invasion of Poland Part 2 Occupation of the Baltic states Part 3 Karelian question Part 4 Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina Part 5 Eastern Bloc

      @razvanciobotaru3089@razvanciobotaru30898 ай бұрын
    • Make a video on 1971 Indo pak war.This is my request

      @bijoykumarjoarder5427@bijoykumarjoarder54278 ай бұрын
  • I was deployed to Afghanistan for most of 2011. We were in the process of drawing down and handing over responsibility to the Afghan Army. We handed a base over to them and within a week it was gone. They sold off the materials and abandoned the base. The idea that we were going to install a national democratic government was a joke.

    @DR.64A9@DR.64A98 ай бұрын
    • Turns out no one wants to die for an American puppet government.

      @sp0ckz0mbi3@sp0ckz0mbi38 ай бұрын
    • Almost like they never really wanted to fight for your occupation...

      @lucvader_1@lucvader_18 ай бұрын
    • Bro I was out there in 2012-2013 same thing. The FOB bases were filled with opium smoking ANA forces who had no concept of duty or professionalism.

      @chrish6014@chrish60148 ай бұрын
    • @@lucvader_1almost like they were idiots and now live under a radical Islamist government and now even worse hellhole

      @davisdelp8131@davisdelp81318 ай бұрын
    • Exactly. And we fought for their freedom..🤦🏼

      @MrCooper83@MrCooper838 ай бұрын
  • It’s wild to think that the war had gone on long enough that people who weren’t even born when 9/11 happened were fighting in Afghanistan

    @EnigmaEnginseer@EnigmaEnginseer8 ай бұрын
    • Did people expect us to stay there forever?

      @inthedarkwoods2022@inthedarkwoods20228 ай бұрын
    • Not really. More likely they were children when it happened. Still a long time though.

      @ebonaparte3853@ebonaparte38538 ай бұрын
    • I was born 8 days before 9/11.

      @captainazrale4404@captainazrale44048 ай бұрын
    • ​@@inthedarkwoods2022 there have been much much longer wars in history. Like the 30 years war, the 80 years war, the 100 years war, the crusades (over 200 years), and the reconquesta (800 years)

      @MrWaterlionmonkey@MrWaterlionmonkey8 ай бұрын
    • @@MrWaterlionmonkeyVery true, but this hits for me at least because it’s so close to us chronologically speaking. Like, had the war gone on another year or so I could have been there and I was born almost a year after the fact. I would have been fighting to avenge a tragedy that happened before my time against people in a similar position to myself. I mean at that point what are we really fighting for?

      @EnigmaEnginseer@EnigmaEnginseer8 ай бұрын
  • I was training ANA in 2011, and one day we went out to inspect their ammo storage and the guard had died from exposure. The ANA leader had no idea why his guard died after 5 days in 100F+ weather and only given 3 bottles if water and 2 MREs.

    @timkarrell7109@timkarrell71098 ай бұрын
    • I get the feeling the ANA was extremely incompetent

      @mcpuggles1234@mcpuggles12348 ай бұрын
    • @@mcpuggles1234well they were

      @joeswanson5486@joeswanson54868 ай бұрын
    • Bro the Afghan National Army was fucking joke.

      @thorpeaaron1110@thorpeaaron11108 ай бұрын
    • I've always wondered what change needed to be made for the ANA concept to have "worked" in some capacity.

      @joevenespineli6389@joevenespineli63898 ай бұрын
    • The real question why did that guard stay like low key I wonder if someone killed him

      @geth7112@geth71128 ай бұрын
  • “Conquering the world on a horseback is easy; it is dismounting and governing that is hard” - Ghengis Khan

    @C-Farsene_5@C-Farsene_58 ай бұрын
    • Ögeddei Khan The Son Of Genghis Khan said that Long After the Former Kaaghaan of the Mongol Empire had Passed Away!

      @SameenCheema-un2hs@SameenCheema-un2hs8 ай бұрын
    • And yet they did it.

      @porkerpete7722@porkerpete77228 ай бұрын
    • @@SameenCheema-un2hs oh I see, quick search tells me Chingiz quoted it

      @C-Farsene_5@C-Farsene_58 ай бұрын
    • 100% and our horse soldiers did a great job they took out the government and chased ubl into Pakistan and we should have backed to northern alliance and left and continued to hunt h.v.t. by intell and air

      @josephsmith6777@josephsmith67778 ай бұрын
    • @@C-Farsene_5 🥰

      @SameenCheema-un2hs@SameenCheema-un2hs8 ай бұрын
  • Remember: taking something is much easier than holding it.

    @stevemc01@stevemc018 ай бұрын
    • Oh we held Afghanistan, we just didn’t take it. You know why? Because the officers and government is fucking stupid. We could’ve killed every single person if we wanted in the entire Middle East, we are that powerful but we’d still fail because of command. Happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, hell in some situations even Korean War

      @jar8808@jar88088 ай бұрын
    • Taking a weak third world country without nukes is easy. Why can’t Russia take Ukraine?

      @IbnWobbler@IbnWobbler8 ай бұрын
    • True

      @FIVEBASKET@FIVEBASKET8 ай бұрын
    • Not really. If the us was able to takeover North Korea it wouldn’t have much of an issue holding the country as there aren’t religious’s extremist fighting and other radicals trying to fight them like in Afghanistan.

      @joeswanson5486@joeswanson54868 ай бұрын
    • The initial goal was to drive the Taliban out and let the locals deal with their own shithole. Then Obozo needed to keep it going so it became about "hEaRtS aNd MiNdS" which dragged it out and made them even MORE incompetent.

      @talleywa5772@talleywa57728 ай бұрын
  • Such a fools' errand. I was in college when we invaded Afghanistan, and was a 40 y/o parent when we withdrew. Incredibly sad.

    @girldaddividendinvestor@girldaddividendinvestor8 ай бұрын
    • Same here. What a waste to be involved with the conflict that long and then within a few days after we pull out, the whole country goes right back to how it was.

      @dachicagoan8185@dachicagoan81858 ай бұрын
    • Before you were born,America did the same thing in Vietnam. "Politicians deciding military policy,lackluster battlefield plans,training a force that we knew would ultimately fail". Washington never learns.

      @akidnamedryan4758@akidnamedryan47588 ай бұрын
    • @@dachicagoan8185yeah a waste of thousands of middle eastern civilians murdered by drones

      @lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177@lorddaquanofhouserastafari41778 ай бұрын
    • This is what happens when a country views itself as invincible.

      @Halcon_Sierreno@Halcon_Sierreno8 ай бұрын
    • @@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 Afghanistan isn't middle east

      @dachicagoan8185@dachicagoan81858 ай бұрын
  • As an American vet this War just makes me mad. So many of my friends died, got injured, or suffer severe PTSD for a War we could never win and eventually lost. In my opinion, the Boomer Generation needed their Vietnam and that is what they got. I hope future generations of Americans can find years of peace.

    @derkaiser420@derkaiser4208 ай бұрын
    • Well said brother all this wars have been pointless and i wish too we can reach some peaceful times to come and thank you for your service.

      @maniac5191@maniac51918 ай бұрын
    • And guess what? The taliban is now making the people of Afghanistan suffer. Probably deserved ngl

      @idk-zi3gw@idk-zi3gw8 ай бұрын
    • You'll still vote republican though

      @haraldisdead@haraldisdead8 ай бұрын
    • ​​@@haraldisdeadwhat's that?

      @idk-zi3gw@idk-zi3gw8 ай бұрын
    • ​@idk-zi3gw are they? We killed more people in the evacuation of Kabul than the taliban did. Actually, they didn't kill anyone.

      @haraldisdead@haraldisdead8 ай бұрын
  • 20 years, wow, once the Taliban said "you may have the watches, but we have the time" so True

    @pablosalazarsojo3877@pablosalazarsojo38778 ай бұрын
    • “If they want to make war for 20 years then we’ll make war for 20 years. If they want to make peace we’ll make peace and invite them to tea afterwards.” -Ho Chi Minh

      @def3ndr887@def3ndr8878 ай бұрын
    • @@def3ndr887 Ho Chi Minh > taliban

      @Thigamabob@Thigamabob8 ай бұрын
    • @@def3ndr887 Ho Chi Minh was a Chad, the good guy of the story

      @pablosalazarsojo3877@pablosalazarsojo38778 ай бұрын
    • @@pablosalazarsojo3877 indeed

      @def3ndr887@def3ndr8878 ай бұрын
    • In Sun Tzu's art of war, the general has clearly mentioned that if you want to fight a war it should be quick. Prolonged war is extremely costly and will eventually bankrupt the empire. Policies influenced by the military industrial complex were actively prolonging the war. It wasn't military that made Americans lose the war but corruption with the america.

      @sartajparveen2001@sartajparveen20018 ай бұрын
  • Rambo 3 becam much more interesting as the US floundered in Afghanistan. In the movie, Col. Trautman says to the Soviet commander, “We had our Vietnam! Now you’ll have yours”. We went into that war knowing there was no way to win.

    @tupacamaruiv5804@tupacamaruiv58048 ай бұрын
    • That's not exactly true, the US went to Afghanistan to eliminate Bin-Laden and they successfully did so, Al-Qaeda is also significantly weakened, what failed was the nation building part.

      @wiseandstrong3386@wiseandstrong33868 ай бұрын
    • @@wiseandstrong3386 The US wanted Afghan opium & minerals. If they wanted Bin Laden they could've taken a flight to Pakistan.

      @bustavonnutz@bustavonnutz8 ай бұрын
    • America is an unironic evil empire that goes around destroying every nation it sees if it refuses to embrace the American world view

      @cyberpunkfalangist2899@cyberpunkfalangist28998 ай бұрын
    • @@bustavonnutzHe was originally in afghanistan but again he is a saudi national. so were most people involved in 9/11

      @joseaguirre744@joseaguirre7448 ай бұрын
    • @@wiseandstrong3386 Nice lies Comrade, the US wanted to get rid of Taliban. Bin-Laden didn't need the entire military did they? US failed and was defeated, stop coping as even your GENERAL and JOINT CHIEF OF STAFF admitted defeat. All colonial empires lose, US is not different.

      @fsdfsdfsd4561@fsdfsdfsd45618 ай бұрын
  • I was deployed twice to Afghanistan. 12-13 and 14-15 with the 101st. I was there at the ceremony in Kabul for the ending of ISAF and the beginning of Resolute Support. I've been to the prison on Bagram airbase and watched their legal system. BTW, I was infantry. And in 2021, right before I got out, I helped with the refugees coming off those planes here in the US. In 15, we all knew how this was going to end. Exactly as it did.

    @Rakkasan2013L@Rakkasan2013L8 ай бұрын
    • Who were you with in 14-15? 3-187?

      @Thatoneguy833@Thatoneguy8338 ай бұрын
    • Concur. Too bad our civilian "leadership" on both sides of the political spectrum didnt listen to us at all...

      @markchiofolo1483@markchiofolo14838 ай бұрын
    • @@Thatoneguy833 yes

      @Rakkasan2013L@Rakkasan2013L8 ай бұрын
    • My message to all miserable Americans....Leave these people alone As an Algerian Muslim, I am proud of them for defeating imperialist colonialism Focus on your war with Russia, which will soon resolve the war in Ukraine, and the brown continent is ready to remove you in seconds.

      @ricardo-2022@ricardo-20228 ай бұрын
    • @@markchiofolo1483 it was too politically convenient to let troops die and lose the war so spectacularly.

      @Marinealver@Marinealver8 ай бұрын
  • Since we’re all posting our experiences with Afghanistan I’ll tell you all an interesting story. I was in Afghanistan in 2013 and among the things I noticed was how incompetent the Afghan police and military was. 8 years later I was on vacation to visit a friend of mine in Toronto, Canada and I took and Uber from the airport. The driver was originally from India (which btw the Indian government supported the U.S.-backed regime in Afghanistan) and we got talking about Afghanistan. The Indian driver was from Punjab province, a border region and he had friends who worked in the Border Police (Indian version of the U.S. Border Patrol). The Indian Border Police had actually helped train the Afghan Police (I had read that somewhere but this guy had actually had friends who had helped with this mission) and the driver’s friend had said he couldn’t belong how incompetent the Afghan recruits were! Many couldn’t read or hold guns properly, the idea they were going to be law enforcement officers was outrageous (mind you Indian police aren’t always known for their competence but compared to Afghans they were the best police in the world)! A few days later I heard Kabul had fallen and they were evacuating via the airport…

    @caseclosed9342@caseclosed93428 ай бұрын
    • It was a lost cause, unfortunately.

      @ordotectonicus8585@ordotectonicus85858 ай бұрын
    • My message to all miserable Americans....Leave these people alone As an Algerian Muslim, I am proud of them for defeating imperialist colonialism Focus on your war with Russia, which will soon resolve the war in Ukraine, and the brown continent is ready to remove you in seconds.

      @ricardo-2022@ricardo-20228 ай бұрын
    • Just to clarify, Indian police force didn't train Afghan police, it's Indian border security force BSF which is a para military wing and not as incompetent as normal civilian cops. ANA troops are also trained in Indian military academy which is like Indian West point and one thing was clear with my interaction with the afghan troops that they lacked any motivation or believe in western style democracy..it was a lost cause from the start..

      @rewanolrwngow@rewanolrwngow8 ай бұрын
    • Nobody in afghanistan want another war so they're just going to surrender to the taliban (the Emirate of Afghanistan) which is a good thing.

      @dindin8753@dindin87538 ай бұрын
    • Shouldve died there, invader. The afghan police and military didnt want to fight for your occupation, thats the whole reason why the taliban undid your work within 2 weeks.

      @stronk9969@stronk99698 ай бұрын
  • "We didn't lose, we merely failed to win" -90% of Americans

    @ramsaybolton9741@ramsaybolton97418 ай бұрын
    • It’s funny how this video literally left out the Iraq war. Now I know the Iraq war shouldn’t be part of this, but the fact of the matter is the war played a huge distraction in Afghanistan. We spent most of our time with a Iraq so much that we forgot we were in Afghanistan. I mean I will not forget back when I was a kid and that whole situation happened. As soon as I’m like in middle school and all the way to high school no one is talking about Afghanistan at all media outlets. Nothing is being talked about. The only time you would ever hear about Afghanistan is if you heard something about Pat Tillman getting killed over there. Along with operation red wing lone Survivor the operation to go kill Ahmed Shah, the Taliban fighter that are forces were trying to hunt. Those were the only time she would ever hear about Afghanistan the rest of the time you wouldn’t even hear about it till like years later down the line. As soon as we get done in Iraq, you start hearing more about Afghanistan in 2010 to 2014 our involvement of combat forces. The job is half done in my opinion we didn’t even do enough to prevent the Taliban. We just literally neglected the situation over there for a few years. I’m not saying our forces were all completely out of there, but the fact of the matter was the numbers we had over there were pretty low unlike Iraq which had higher US involvement

      @monkeycat48@monkeycat488 ай бұрын
    • I mean 3.5k dead from 20 years of fighting screams getting bored

      @esanahka9284@esanahka92848 ай бұрын
    • ​@esanahka9284 true, america could have wiped afghans from the map but decided to give them mercy and forgive their atrocities.

      @kawaiikoto8800@kawaiikoto88008 ай бұрын
    • Keep coping and get mad without understanding why

      @vassiliblucher2763@vassiliblucher27638 ай бұрын
    • @@esanahka9284 getting bored of losing lol literally rage quitting.

      @dindin8753@dindin87538 ай бұрын
  • Who else is still happy that Armchair Historian is still up and running? Love the content!

    @casperdong@casperdong8 ай бұрын
    • yes

      @Truper101@Truper1018 ай бұрын
    • Yes

      @RougeCheeseit@RougeCheeseit8 ай бұрын
    • Yes

      @jordanboone7159@jordanboone71598 ай бұрын
    • why wouldn't it be ?

      @MatroX67@MatroX678 ай бұрын
    • I'm gonna' say Armchair Historian is glad Armchair Historian is still up and running...

      @cowboymf1013@cowboymf10138 ай бұрын
  • My dad hates himself for what he did in this Country. "I defended Poppy Fields from Farmers. I didn't kill militants, I killed upset people."

    @CurlousCam@CurlousCam8 ай бұрын
    • Taliban are “upset people”? Bullshit.

      @Justin-pe9cl@Justin-pe9cl8 ай бұрын
    • You have a father that lives in reality I think, and it's people who see the reality for what it is that'll help make a better future

      @anrw886@anrw8868 ай бұрын
    • @@anrw886 He isn’t. Crybaby shouldn’t have enlisted.

      @Justin-pe9cl@Justin-pe9cl8 ай бұрын
    • @content_enjoyer4458 ofc there's no good side but he can see the war wasn't worth it in any way and they weren't even really an enemy, at least one worth fighting

      @anrw886@anrw8868 ай бұрын
    • @content_enjoyer4458 True, in this case there were aggressive invaders and patient defenders.

      @xander583@xander5838 ай бұрын
  • The video didnt really go into how the taliban went from a largely defeated and unpopular force at the end of 2001 to a very popular one at the end. It for example didnt mention how many civilians obama's drone campaign killed or how the Afghan police were hated and extremely corrupt. It didnt go into how many people the US and the Afghan government killed, kidnapped and tortured nor how coalition forces for example australians would routinely murder civilians and dismember and abuse corpses or other war crimes. All these things played a huge role in turning large parts of the rural population against the government and ISAF and straight into the arms of the taliban.

    @lastword8783@lastword87838 ай бұрын
    • The video did mention how many civilians the drone campaign killed…

      @dangersnail5839@dangersnail58398 ай бұрын
    • ​@@dangersnail5839no it mentioned 3800 "from the kill or capture list" not civilians specifically. Youd have to add in the drone strikes in Pakistan too since the US went after the Taliban in Pakistan too.

      @lastword8783@lastword87838 ай бұрын
    • We literally pished the taliban to be popular. The civs killed, and disregard for religous and ethnic groups, and the massive instability. Taliban were the only ones capable of filling the hole. If we left in 2001-2003, idk maybe they would be a democracy with many parties like some european countries. But we didnt.

      @skie6282@skie62825 ай бұрын
    • Christians destroying everything as usual

      @prathyushareddy9404@prathyushareddy94044 ай бұрын
    • It was in the illustration, it wasn't mentioned @@lastword8783

      @Automaton23@Automaton234 ай бұрын
  • As a Vietnam vet I knew it would play out exactly like Nam from day one and it did. It was carbon copy.

    @toastnjam7384@toastnjam73848 ай бұрын
    • Like the one saying goes: "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - Winston Churchill

      @Mr.DiughGames@Mr.DiughGames8 ай бұрын
  • Modern history is always a great topic to cover especially one that was so significant in a lot of our lives

    @rsookchand919@rsookchand9198 ай бұрын
    • Too bad Washington never learns. South Vietnam came to my mind many times as I was watching this. Disturbing how the same mistake was made again and even worse. Just a few decades later.

      @akidnamedryan4758@akidnamedryan47588 ай бұрын
    • ​@@Riorozenhuman nature

      @CimarronaMotions@CimarronaMotions8 ай бұрын
    • Huh. It's the complete opposite me. Modern history is always boring and lame to me, lacking any great characters or interesting figures or even fascinating stories to tell. Each to his own though.

      @ikmalkamal5830@ikmalkamal58308 ай бұрын
    • ​@@ikmalkamal5830I completely agree. Modern history is meh. Also leaders back than were in the Battlefield too.

      @landsknecht8654@landsknecht86548 ай бұрын
    • @@akidnamedryan4758man, humans are so complicated

      @DanielKolbin@DanielKolbin7 ай бұрын
  • Having been born in 2000, the war in Afghanistan was always a background part of my childhood (I'm British, btw). I still remember seeing the regular reports on the news about soldiers killed in action, and footage of coffins draped in Union Flags being unloaded from planes - the words "Helmand Province" and "Camp Bastion" are, I think, permanently etched into my brain. Of course, being so young, and never knowing different, I didn't truly understand the war or it's significance. Only years later, as we pulled our own people out, did I really begin the grasp the truth.

    @BaronVonMott@BaronVonMott8 ай бұрын
    • What is the truth? You should read the UN opium survey. The truth is all about the opium. In 2000 the Taliban took down all opium fields. In 2003 Afghanistan had record of producing opium under ISAF controle.

      @Bigliever@Bigliever8 ай бұрын
    • @@BiglieverNow that we’re using that Chyna fentanyl we pulled out of Afghanistan

      @dingus6317@dingus63178 ай бұрын
    • @@dingus6317 exactly! Thank you.

      @Bigliever@Bigliever8 ай бұрын
    • Ya'll got some weird theories. Fact is we went in to destroy radical Islam. And we lost.

      @adineatha9766@adineatha97668 ай бұрын
    • @@adineatha9766honestly I think we need to go in again it’s inhumane what they r doing to women. Honestly I wouldn’t care if it was the US Pakistan china Russia just someone needs to go in and end the taliban aswell as the terrorists controlling Iran

      @HTS123RK@HTS123RK8 ай бұрын
  • Another thing that I kept hearing from veterans is that during the early invasion of Afghanistan the reason they had so much success was due to special forces groups establishing a long term relationship with the northern alliance and the local populace. Learning the language eating and sleeping with the troops everyday essentially becoming brothers in way. When we turned into a police force and handed over the responsibility of establishing relationships with the people to normal soldiers that get rotated every 6 months - 1 year. That would compromise a lot of the nation building and relationships between ISAF and the afghans. You would have one team/leadership willing to be patient and establish connections with the people then after troop rotations you would get someone unwilling to work with them and become aggressive destroying all trust. This should’ve been special forces war or even use American private military forces to do the same thing on a larger scale to support SF groups.

    @tachanka_bear@tachanka_bear8 ай бұрын
    • We fought the war from the beginning every 6 months with the new troops and leaders. No continuity. Didnt matter though, the Afghans only wanted the Taliban to be removed, they never wanted out Democracy from the beginning. The Hearts and Minds mentality was never going to work from the beginning.

      @markchiofolo1483@markchiofolo14838 ай бұрын
    • No, you should've just left because no one asked for your "help"

      @balabanasireti@balabanasireti8 ай бұрын
    • ​@balabanasireti many Afghans asked for our help, that's why when we threatened to leave many times before, they all begged us to stay to keep control of their shithole country.

      @JACKAL747@JACKAL7478 ай бұрын
    • ​​@@balabanasiretiexactly lol. all this trouble could've been avoided had they kept their noses out of Afghanistan business.

      @painkillerwrld7446@painkillerwrld74468 ай бұрын
    • A hearts and minds campaign was definitly the right approach and I agree that special forces operations would've been the right folks for the job. I can't see how PMC's like Blackwater wouldn't have done anything but majorly screw the entire operation. "Mercinaries" and "peacekeepers" in the same sentence sounds oxymoronic.

      @KSchawacker@KSchawacker8 ай бұрын
  • This war will always stick with me. Born in 2001, saw the war progress and it ended as I finished training for the Army. Its like a weird imposter syndrome for some other soldiers and I who just joined growing up wanting to fight terror and just see everything with a lot of hindsight now.

    @stolensweetroll4538@stolensweetroll45388 ай бұрын
    • That’s why COD was created for Yankees like you with a fantasy plot that you as American fighting for good to save the world from evil.

      @ronin6100@ronin61008 ай бұрын
    • L dream honestly

      @1Orderchaos@1Orderchaos8 ай бұрын
    • Your army is the biggest terror in this world.

      @nafisfuadayon6832@nafisfuadayon68328 ай бұрын
    • You aren't fighting terror, buddy. You're fighting for oil and the interests of corrupt politicians while screwing over civilians thousands of miles away from home. The US Army *is* the terror.

      @PoLongman@PoLongman8 ай бұрын
    • كافر

      @user-ej8jc1zg6j@user-ej8jc1zg6j8 ай бұрын
  • The PTSD scene in Rambo reminds me of Afghanistan “Nothing is over, nothing you just don’t turn it off. It wasn’t my war You asked me I didn’t ask you I did what I had to do to win but they wouldn’t let us win”

    @christianokamura9419@christianokamura94198 ай бұрын
    • @@ahmetozkan438 that’s funny I don’t remember the US committing genocide, oh wait that’s your people the Turkish that are committing genocide against the Kurdish people, and displacing them. Also the Turkish would pay the Taliban to not attack the bases while the Turks were there, you would leave and let us get attacked. And didn’t the Turkish commit genocide against the Armenian people, you are one to talk about genocide

      @christianokamura9419@christianokamura94198 ай бұрын
    • @@ahmetozkan438 an ignorant statement if I ever heard one.

      @rightpa@rightpa8 ай бұрын
    • ​@@rightpaNo it's accurate

      @boxelderinitiative3897@boxelderinitiative38978 ай бұрын
    • "tHeY wOuLdNt lEt uS WiN"

      @bradsanders407@bradsanders4077 ай бұрын
    • ​@@rightpayou are the ignorant one. Name one thing that isn't true about the statement.

      @bradsanders407@bradsanders4077 ай бұрын
  • The author forgot to mention that casualties of Afghan army and police inflicted by Taliban were more than 70 thousand KIA, + the Coalition's casualties and PMC's casualties. US and the Coalition forces would have suffered higher casualties if Talibans had not been forced to spray themselves to fight Afghan government forces.

    @franksmith9928@franksmith99288 ай бұрын
    • Also we don't know how many afgan troops were there... They ussually lie in their numbers

      @cx24venezuela@cx24venezuela8 ай бұрын
    • What's the casualty caused by hamericunt and their spawns?

      @billisultan6224@billisultan62248 ай бұрын
    • According to Wikipedia, on the USA side, Afghan security forces lost 66-69k Kia, the coalition lost 3579, the northern alliance lost 200, 3917 and contractors were killed. On the other side, the Taliban lost 52,893 KIA, Al-Q**da lost 2000 killed and the IS** lost 2400+ killed

      @Table4830@Table48308 ай бұрын
    • ​@@Table4830how much contractor ? That the most important since rich countru use this to hide death, since they were not "official military" they din't have to count it in the death from their country even if it was a national and were paid by the governement in question

      @sotch2271@sotch22718 ай бұрын
    • @Kapt420 Never trust american, they bloat their number like lone wolf movie.

      @OSTemli@OSTemli8 ай бұрын
  • My dad went in with the Marine Corps from the onset of the war to I believe 2004. When he came home, I ran and hid because I thought he was a burglar (I was 4). He's lost so many friends. Not only during service, but after, too. He's got tinnitus, a bad shoulder, knee, and back now, not to mention the anxiety. I remember once going out to dinner with a friend of his from the Marines, hearing them talk about things I'd never known he'd done, seeing that sort of hollow sadness in the back of his eyes. Sometimes I'd overhear him talking about it with my mom, one really stands out to me. He was a sergeant, at camp Patrick Tillman (which he helped build). One day, he and a British unit are supposed to go out on patrol, but they need the American commander or whatever to authorize it, or something, I don't really know how this works. Anyways, the American CO was late, and the Brits had already gone, so it fell to my dad to authorize his team to go out. He waited... and waited... and waited... but still no CO, and the guys were getting antsy, so he gave the go ahead. A few minutes after they'd left, the CO arrives, and my dad heads out to join the rest of them... only to find that their vehicle had hit an IED, and they had been ambushed. There were no survivors, and the militants had melted back into the countryside before my dad's vehicle even arrived. He has carried the weight of that decision for 20 years.

    @gluedtothemouse@gluedtothemouse8 ай бұрын
    • It sounds like the UK guys had better intel on that given situation and the whole, strike while the iron is hot, comes to mind.

      @erickolb8581@erickolb85818 ай бұрын
    • As an Afghan I'm sorry for your dad lost friends but we didn't invite Americans to came here the world should know this that we Afghans never fear from death for our country that why they called (AFG = THE GRAVEYARD OF EMPIRES).

      @fahadgarwal3289@fahadgarwal32897 ай бұрын
    • @@user-zs9yl9ep1d Hope Hell's extra hot for you.

      @chuckn4851@chuckn48517 ай бұрын
  • I am in Denmark right now, and i asked my Danish friend about Afghanistan. He was seriously injured, and still hasn`t forgotten and accepted the withdrawal. Such a shame.

    @user-hw3kc9ei4c@user-hw3kc9ei4c8 ай бұрын
    • he dosent need to forget, but he needs to accept the pain.

      @tommyfortress7515@tommyfortress75158 ай бұрын
    • It was time to withdraw, way past time in my opinion. The Afghanistan people were as useless as tits on cactus in the dark. They had everthing spoonfed to them and never changed

      @brittislove@brittislove8 ай бұрын
    • Good, next time tell your terrorist friend to not invade countries

      @MJ511KW@MJ511KW8 ай бұрын
    • Oh yeah such a shame the us isn't spending a trillion dollars a year to kill poor villagers in a place where no one wants them to be. Such a shame.

      @bradsanders407@bradsanders4077 ай бұрын
    • we didn't invite Americans to came here the world should know this that we Afghans never fear from death for our country that why they called (AFG = THE GRAVEYARD OF EMPIRES).

      @fahadgarwal3289@fahadgarwal32897 ай бұрын
  • damn, i had no idea the war was that active. i figured it was just a few ambushes here and there, but the number of killed speaks of widespread fighting that never made it to the news

    @luigilain5692@luigilain56928 ай бұрын
    • War fatigue was a real thing amongst the american people and didnt wanna keep seeing the horrors we were inflicting on countries half the world away

      @jukebox5600@jukebox56008 ай бұрын
    • @@jukebox5600Yea the only way we would not stop in war fatigue is if we had a Pearl Harbor or another 9/11 until the people responsible are dead or the nation is crushed

      @enriqueperezarce5485@enriqueperezarce54858 ай бұрын
    • @@enriqueperezarce5485 people responsible for those events are your own

      @zayd.g@zayd.g8 ай бұрын
    • ​​@@zayd.gI'll believe an American before I believe muslims lol Everything is someone else's fault for you guys. Even ISIS, even tho they were selling sex slaves and quoting the Quran while doing it. Yep, America made muslims rape all those innocent yazidis. Or wait, maybe the Jews. Who else is the enemy of Islam? Oh yeah 9/11 was CIA.

      @Monkey-tr7sd@Monkey-tr7sd8 ай бұрын
    • Without American oil to the Japanese or funding of the Mujahideen war efforts against the Soviets neither horrific event would've happened, that American oil being used to fund Japanese war efforts in China was used to launch the attack on Pearl Harbor and for 9/11 the deck laid itself out as we kept funding the group that became the very ones we fought in the "war on terror" it's just bullshit to fill the pockets of some rich pricks and send poor kids to die in a field for some extra cash. Not like the people don't know this either if you look up the CIA's offical documents on their dealings in Iraq and Afghanistan so if anything those two events were caused by hands of the rich to kill for some extra cash in their pockets not untie people or inspire them. Just a way to fear monger people into going into a damn blood bath and coming back traumatized and forgotten on the streets. @@enriqueperezarce5485

      @adrien5262@adrien52628 ай бұрын
  • A good overview of the military side about what we actually have been doing for the last 20 years.

    @GijsTheDog@GijsTheDog8 ай бұрын
    • My message to all miserable Americans....Leave these people alone As an Algerian Muslim, I am proud of them for defeating imperialist colonialism Focus on your war with Russia, which will soon resolve the war in Ukraine, and the brown continent is ready to remove you in seconds.

      @ricardo-2022@ricardo-20228 ай бұрын
  • The U.S. failure in Afghanistan, along with the support of its NATO AND ISAF allies, was the culmination and failure of a century-plus old doctrine going back to the days of Woodrow Wilson; foreign intervention "to save and build democracy" and/or American interests with a complete lack of understanding and negligence of the local history, customs/norms, and culture of said nation where such an intervention or occupation took place. Certainly didn't help the amount of times the Americans either spurned local leadership, whether it'd be the ANA or tribal councils, or killed and maimed civilians caught in the crosshairs or taken out as a result of faulty intelligence. The U.S. learned nothing from the previous failures and missteps in Afghanistan by the former Soviet Union, the British Empire, the Sikh Empire, and just about every foreign nation and empire that has attempted any sort of intervention and nation-building in Afghanistan over the past centuries, and while Biden and his hasty withdrawal certainly was the final blow to the democracy and nation-building experiment there, the failures and shortcomings in Afghanistan that led to its collapse and our failure there lie with every single administration in power during the 20 years of war and turmoil; Bush 43, Obama, Trump, and lastly Biden.

    @davidcopeland5450@davidcopeland54508 ай бұрын
    • To be fair, Biden had nothing to do with the policy-making over Afghanistan. Trump already signed the deal with the Taliban - Biden simply carried out the order.

      @melindacadarette3447@melindacadarette34478 ай бұрын
    • Yep I agree 👍

      @deron2203@deron22038 ай бұрын
    • And now it is some ultraconservative sh*thole that will f*ck itself even further, and perhaps the taliban may start expansion campaigns apparently, didn't they threatened to take Jerusalem?

      @WhoAmIHmmm@WhoAmIHmmm8 ай бұрын
    • People forget how the nation felt after 911, the whole nation acted with emotion. Everyone was on board with the Afghanistan invasion

      @logank444@logank4448 ай бұрын
    • You know, I know that everyone was feeling that we should go to Afghanistan after the (false flag) 9/11 attacks, but the correct way to go about it would be to send in special forces and investigative teams to find Osama Bin Laden. This invasion was a criminal action that resulted in huge numbers of civilian deaths and literally zero progress in the efforts to establish a working democracy in an Islamic tribal region. The politicians who led us into this "war" were criminally invested in entire this endeavor.

      @Mr.InbetweenFX@Mr.InbetweenFX8 ай бұрын
  • Gotta love how he says WoT has historically accurate vehicles

    @GeorgiiiVaampire@GeorgiiiVaampire8 ай бұрын
    • Griffin wants to get paid by WoT!

      @markchiofolo1483@markchiofolo14838 ай бұрын
  • I'm from neighboring Uzbekistan. I used to live very close to the border but our side of the river was almost always peaceful. I grew up hearing wars in Afghanistan and it was always heartbreaking. Afghani culture is very complex, it's a mixture of turkic, persian, islamic, pashtun and many more cultures. The idea of another country from another side of the world with entirely different understanding of the world and mentality coming to this country and building prosperous country by killing them is absolutely disgusting and stupid. Even we don't understand their culture despite sharing centuries long common history and 9% Afghanistan people being uzbek ethnicity. I hope now there will be no more wars in there and their leaders will try to make Afghanistan better place

    @nedji03@nedji037 ай бұрын
    • Wait a minute. Turkish culture. Are you talking about Hazar?

      @user-cg2tw8pw7j@user-cg2tw8pw7j6 ай бұрын
    • @@user-cg2tw8pw7j Turkic, not turkish, hazar, turkmen and uzbek people in Afghanistan are turkic

      @nedji03@nedji036 ай бұрын
    • @@nedji03 The indigenous Turks look like the Chinese, so I think you are talking about the Hazara people in Afghanistan

      @user-cg2tw8pw7j@user-cg2tw8pw7j6 ай бұрын
  • My Friend and I were in College when we saw the U.S. Military were withdrawing in Afghanistan and he actually served in Afghanistan back in 2019 and one of the people that died in the explosion during the evacuation was actually a highschool classmate he knew which really hurt him and saw that all that fighting that he did there was for nothing just for the enemy to take back the country without any resistance it really questioned him on what he was fighting for

    @TopGuardDawg@TopGuardDawg8 ай бұрын
    • It would have been for nothing anyway. The incompetence of the Afghani military is second to none. But the withdrawal could have been in good order had Biden not fucked up

      @talleywa5772@talleywa57728 ай бұрын
    • @@talleywa5772 It doesn't matter how you square it, the Taliban recapturing Afghanistan was pretty much inevitable. This would've happened under any president that withdrew.

      @FrontsofGranada@FrontsofGranada8 ай бұрын
    • Now imagine how all the civilians who’s family members where murdered by drones and war crimes

      @lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177@lorddaquanofhouserastafari41778 ай бұрын
    • maybe if they had fought for freedom earlier it wouldn't've happened@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177

      @lordraydens@lordraydens8 ай бұрын
    • Your friend was a terrorist and an invader, he came to murder, rape, and loot Afghan people and he got what was coming to him. Sad that your friend didnt meet the same fate that all invaders deserve.

      @eliasziad7864@eliasziad78648 ай бұрын
  • I lost a friend in Afghanistan, seeing we left in such a way makes his death pointless. This was our Vietnam, people need to wake up and see how our government bungled this whole mess.

    @23Revan84@23Revan848 ай бұрын
    • We do see it but we’re absolutely powerless in doing anything thing about it.

      @byronmann4525@byronmann45258 ай бұрын
    • Rest in pieces bozo, next time don’t invade countries you terrorists

      @MJ511KW@MJ511KW8 ай бұрын
    • @@byronmann4525 By recognizing and remembering our failure in Afghanistan we can prevent it from happening in the next war (and sadly, there will be a next war)

      @jacobgoodstone7572@jacobgoodstone75728 ай бұрын
    • @@byronmann4525 Why powerless? Isn't America the greatest democracy in the world, you can literally bring down your Govt if you had wanted to. Or is America just a democracy in name?

      @ymhktravel@ymhktravel7 ай бұрын
    • ​@@jacobgoodstone7572how about avoiding faliure by staying in US and not terrorising other countries with "muh freedom invasions"? A bit too much to ask of the good ol US of Assholes?

      @MrPink-pj3ul@MrPink-pj3ul7 ай бұрын
  • The image of that helicopter lifting off the roof should never be forgotten. If you’re not sure which one… that’s the point

    @davidhochstetler4068@davidhochstetler40688 ай бұрын
  • Hoping KZhead doesn’t find some BS reason to censor this. Keep up the good work Griffin.

    @iamjohnfarlow@iamjohnfarlow8 ай бұрын
    • They won't take down IShowSpeed for accidentally displaying nudity but they'll take down this guy for genuinely giving us educational content.

      @Epsilon-18@Epsilon-188 ай бұрын
    • @@Epsilon-18 That's ishowspeed's fault.

      @Thigamabob@Thigamabob8 ай бұрын
    • @@Thigamabob this reply was sent two months ago. Why am I getting a notification for it only now?

      @Epsilon-18@Epsilon-186 ай бұрын
  • It took them 20 years to transfer the power from the Taliban back to the Taliban lol

    @The_Colt_God_@The_Colt_God_8 ай бұрын
    • Well that is a bad sign for the Talibans too but let not forget they are a different one from the 20 years ago.

      @mariano98ify@mariano98ify8 ай бұрын
    • @@mariano98ify it may have just helped in getting rid of political rivals in the Taliban

      @def3ndr887@def3ndr8878 ай бұрын
    • All of that could of been avoided if America tried harder.

      @maxtomlinson8134@maxtomlinson81348 ай бұрын
    • ​@@mariano98ifya bad sign like what? It's not like they spent 20 trillion dollars.

      @Koric135@Koric1357 ай бұрын
    • ​@@maxtomlinson8134😂😂

      @mostafaeldeh1064@mostafaeldeh10646 ай бұрын
  • "Mission failed, we'll get em next time."

    @ALineProductions212@ALineProductions2128 ай бұрын
  • Imagine what we could do with the money spent on the War in Afghanistan.

    @PumaFau@PumaFau8 ай бұрын
    • Don't cry next time you hear women denied their base rights

      @animeXcaso@animeXcaso8 ай бұрын
    • @@animeXcasoAfghanistan is not our responsibility.

      @Justin-pe9cl@Justin-pe9cl8 ай бұрын
    • Imagine what we could to with all the money going to Ukraine and illegal immigrants. The government is the problem

      @Bearjew2995@Bearjew29958 ай бұрын
    • @@Justin-pe9clthen why spend trillions over there and not do anything about it

      @joeswanson5486@joeswanson54868 ай бұрын
    • Make conflict with another country 😂

      @talleywa5772@talleywa57728 ай бұрын
  • In short, they tried to use post ww2 rebuilding and it didnt work. Afganistan is called the graveyard of nations for a reason. The USSR tried the steel boot, they failed. The US tried shock, awe, and bribery. That didnt work. I honestly think if you want to take the area youll need to push the indigenous people to the last out of the region as the fractious tribes have complex alliances and hatreds no one outside of natives can umderstand and when you mess with or ally with one you have a dozen groups gearing up for a guerrilla war.

    @brianjohnson5272@brianjohnson52728 ай бұрын
    • It did work, we upheld that republic for 20 years with barely any resistance. It's only once we left that there was trouble, not because they were remotely close of defeating us militarily but because we assumed that a well-equiped and well-trained republican army of 400,000 would be more than enough to hold back 80,000 poorly trained and equipped Taliban. Our only mistake was assuming that the Afghans were courageous and had guts to fight, we shouldn't have assumed that they were even a quarter of the man as our average soldier is.

      @kidfox3971@kidfox39718 ай бұрын
    • Afghanistan is the graveyard for the west, the mongols conquered it

      @frankhill4358@frankhill43588 ай бұрын
    • ​@@kidfox3971 Sure, because the Afghans were so eager to help their occupiers.

      @vojtechdrabek1159@vojtechdrabek11598 ай бұрын
    • @frankhill4358 how did they dobit? Oh thats right, either called them daddy when they rolled up or your population was dead or enslaved. America went just like they did Germany in WW2, and instead of "de-germinzing" the nation by putting warlords down, they spent billions buying them off while they also took the Talibans money too!

      @brianjohnson5272@brianjohnson52728 ай бұрын
    • Exactly , you nailed it.

      @muhammadhilyaas9108@muhammadhilyaas91088 ай бұрын
  • Arguably why the US failed is also why the USSR failed: Afghanistan has little to no national or ethical recognitions, so whatever the coalition is trying to do is hardly going to affect the of rural areas - without big commitments that will probably hurt the budget, and hence hard to gain support for kabul, which some afghan people mightve never been to as well, that is why the Soviet occupation has failed, but instead of the cost it was because of the casualties that forced them to withdraw. On the other hand the Talibans has a good religious base to operate, to recuit and to consolidate control from

    @tianhaoju4634@tianhaoju46348 ай бұрын
    • You right about that funny thing is Soviet won war against the Afghans in 1920s and 1930s so USSR still hold the advantage against Afghanistan in that respect

      @JDDC-tq7qm@JDDC-tq7qm8 ай бұрын
    • Afghanistan is not called the graveyard of empires for nothing

      @thomasgrabkowski8283@thomasgrabkowski82838 ай бұрын
    • The Soviets did better than the US all things considered

      @kalajari1749@kalajari17498 ай бұрын
    • @@kalajari1749 no they did not lmao, the soviets lost more men than america did.

      @pharasite3011@pharasite30118 ай бұрын
    • @@pharasite3011 he means from a command standpoint. The soviets actually did better, but as Americans, it's also not wise to wait for commanders to make decisions most days. [Insert plethora of examples from WW2 here]. The Japanese thought that knocking out officers would leave American troops disorganized and vulnerable. They couldn't have been more wrong. As you can imagine, I'm in the camp of people who believes the older Americans(boomers) have sabotaged the younger Americans from the beginning. We didn't social engineer ourselves, they did. Millennials(myself) followed along exactly what we were told and now we live in this disaster of a world... Hopefully you get where I'm going here.

      @erickolb8581@erickolb85818 ай бұрын
  • This is your most ominous and grim episode yet man, also probably one of your best

    @TomasTH1@TomasTH18 ай бұрын
  • I think more should be said about how badly things like corruption, absurd wastes of resources (spending millions building high-tech police buildings for towns that had no electricity, etc), high personnel turnover, etc played. As somebody who served during the GWOT, I quickly got the sense that a lot of the federal bureaucracy didn't really take any of it seriously and equated dollars spent with success. Agencies didn't talk to each other, the military were used like police, DoD and State Department didn't agree on anything, it goes on and on.

    @Taylor-mn9fv@Taylor-mn9fv8 ай бұрын
    • America: Don't worry, the tourniquets in my country will kill these bad guys

      @user-cg2tw8pw7j@user-cg2tw8pw7j8 ай бұрын
    • It’s only corrupt because America put corrupt people into the country to run it, if it was a genuine humanitarian effort they would have won.

      @maxtomlinson8134@maxtomlinson81348 ай бұрын
  • Great video❤ history is important and you and many other channels bless us with great information and insight into world events. Keep up the great work

    @razeranger2393@razeranger23938 ай бұрын
  • "the military recognized a need to consolidate gains through building local support" That's funny. I thought the only way to consolidate gains was a 14th century-style scorched earth conquest.

    @chillfill4866@chillfill48668 ай бұрын
  • Master Corporal Jody Mitic (Ret.) Of the Canadian Armed Forces has a truly wonderful autobiography that covers his time in Afghanistan during the mid to late 2000s as part of a sniper unit with the Royal Canadian Rifles. He goes into the operational breakdown of Canadian momentum during Medusa, with the offensive stalling out at several points whenever a single casualty was taken. This mostly stemmed from the CAF's lack of operational experience, having not conducted large scale operations since Korea, and manpower and recruitment difficulties making replenishment a hard pressed thing. The book is titled "Unflinching: The Making of a Canadian Sniper" and details his time in the Army from Kosovo in the 90s to Afghanistan in 2007, as well as his challenges with the Canadian VA and healthcare system.

    @colbygordon6936@colbygordon69368 ай бұрын
    • I'll have to check that out sounds good. Thanks for the tip.

      @larrymunn5279@larrymunn52798 ай бұрын
  • You can not build local support if the locals do not want you in their country.

    @shadowslayer9988@shadowslayer99888 ай бұрын
    • That’s not why they lost, they just didn’t nationbuild it, people don’t rebel if they’re happy, and America was completely capable of doing that.

      @maxtomlinson8134@maxtomlinson81348 ай бұрын
    • ​​@@maxtomlinson8134Maybe go check how the Afghan people celebrate victory day every year now since the foreign forces particularly the United States retreated and stopped illegally occupying threir land so no the United States was not cable of doing that because they were never wanted.

      @shadowslayer9988@shadowslayer99886 ай бұрын
    • no, they are, capable of doing it very much so, they did it with many countries in the past@@shadowslayer9988

      @maxtomlinson8134@maxtomlinson81346 ай бұрын
  • Can you next make a video about the Great Northern War, an event which started the dominant rise of Russia and eventually leading to the same continuous mistakes in history and in real life. Love the details in the video.

    @_resource-guy1878@_resource-guy18788 ай бұрын
  • I'm surprised this video hasn't been struck down by KZhead yet. Keep up the great work 👍

    @oliversherman2414@oliversherman24148 ай бұрын
    • Why would KZhead strike it down

      @18hornet@18hornet8 ай бұрын
    • @@18hornet I suppose because it's a bit of a controversial topic. Also, KZhead doesn't take kindly to videos about modern warfare

      @oliversherman2414@oliversherman24148 ай бұрын
    • ​@@18hornetKZhead tends to auto flag most videos on modern conflicts. This also usually extends to historical videos(especially WW2 ones), hence why Griffin's videos get struck down so often, which really sucks in my opinion.

      @Parallel_HD@Parallel_HD8 ай бұрын
    • There's this channel called GDF that makes even more controvercial topics.

      @Thigamabob@Thigamabob8 ай бұрын
  • Animation quality has just jumped again. Your artists should be very proud.

    @AzureRath97@AzureRath978 ай бұрын
  • I find the history of modern times almost the most interesting of all! If I had one critique for this video, I would've liked to see greater detail given to the strategic decisions which ultimately led to this turning into a forever war, and then the abrupt withdrawal

    @ElliotShayle@ElliotShayle8 ай бұрын
    • Well the simple answer to why they lost, is America half-arsed this conflict.

      @maxtomlinson8134@maxtomlinson81348 ай бұрын
  • Great video, I still amazed by the quality of these videos.

    @miembrosgibran@miembrosgibran8 ай бұрын
  • Here beforre youtube takes this masterpiece down.

    @EllielPerez_131.@EllielPerez_131.8 ай бұрын
  • 20 years of war and for what?

    @thomasdaywalt7735@thomasdaywalt77355 ай бұрын
    • Nothing...

      @History_Teller1250@History_Teller12505 ай бұрын
  • Amazing video as always mate!

    @elfelix8843@elfelix88438 ай бұрын
  • These videos are great keep posting videos like this

    @CosmicVoyage5@CosmicVoyage58 ай бұрын
  • Man I have such massive respect for this channel - you're one of the extremely few actually unbiased western sources that don't mindlessly glorify its propaganda. That takes balls. Please never change.

    @Forbiddenn@Forbiddenn8 ай бұрын
    • Raged

      @marchfabmeirchiawn_OGISM@marchfabmeirchiawn_OGISM8 ай бұрын
  • I know I probably shouldn't watch this since I'm still in the "thousands of lives, 20 years of war, and 9 months of my life for a couple dead HVTs" phase of withdrawal, but here I go pressing play to see what happens...

    @brianzimmerman4837@brianzimmerman48378 ай бұрын
  • quality content as always, good job team griffy

    @annoyedbrox4851@annoyedbrox48518 ай бұрын
  • I love your channel keep up the great stuff

    @oliversherman2414@oliversherman24148 ай бұрын
  • Love your vids griffin and the team ❤

    @binlorry8870@binlorry88708 ай бұрын
  • 2:39 I love how you graphically designed the gun to have all the different flags

    @RealLifeZatoichi@RealLifeZatoichi8 ай бұрын
  • Nice vid! Keep up the work!

    @ironriderslsm@ironriderslsm8 ай бұрын
  • You guys are the best history channel on KZhead.

    @dimmadome7609@dimmadome76098 ай бұрын
  • That's why I always say, democracy is something cultural, if it wasn't compatible with the local culture. People will not believe and will not want to understand democracy, even more die for one

    @basara3444@basara34448 ай бұрын
    • Or its because the U.S was never interested in establishing democracy. The "democracies" the U.S propped up during all 73 of the coups and dictatorships its sponsored, always failed because the U.S always propped up corrupt autocrats who would protect their interests, and then people would get tired of that and overthrow the leader.

      @halloweenaddict4034@halloweenaddict40348 ай бұрын
    • ​@@halloweenaddict4034Apologies are for losers

      @masterblack4064@masterblack40648 ай бұрын
    • @@halloweenaddict4034 soviet russia did the same sh*t any nobody looks at them

      @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356@kittycatwithinternetaccess23568 ай бұрын
    • @@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 no they didn't lmao, they have a record of 3 lol, thats it. Not 73.

      @halloweenaddict4034@halloweenaddict40348 ай бұрын
    • The US didn't invade and occupy Afghanistan to bring democracy, The US has none of its own to begin with.

      @Denever@Denever8 ай бұрын
  • I've once met a veteran who was a bit common coming to my family's store, when I questioned how he lost his leg, he said he hit a landmine in Afghanistan. Feels sad to see that the problem with landmines are still there to this day.

    @alistairvan4059@alistairvan40596 ай бұрын
  • It's very refreshing to see someone take an accurate and nuanced approach to discussing this conflict, and getting into the actual reasons behind the failure. Thank you for making this video.

    @BroBomba@BroBomba8 ай бұрын
  • If anyone's interested in American warfare I hotly recommend the series that Schwerpunkt started about the US Army. He should make an update today

    @antoniomoreira5921@antoniomoreira59218 ай бұрын
    • Most people are interested in America laying off their constant warfare.

      @Memovox@Memovox8 ай бұрын
    • US army ❌ Terrorist army ✅

      @MJ511KW@MJ511KW8 ай бұрын
  • Friend of mine was a medic in Afghanistan and I've not asked him many questions about it ( I didn't know him until last few years) but he still suffers from ptsd now.

    @gordonchard6243@gordonchard62438 ай бұрын
    • If they trust you, and feels like you are interested in hearing their experiences, without passing judgement. They will probably share with you, in time. Don't be disappointed if they don't. As someone suffering from PTSD from the same war, who knows a bunch of others in the same situation. One thing is clear. Most of us want to talk, even though it might not seem like it. But we are afraid of the response and stigma. Because no 'normal' person will understand our story, unless extremely empathetic, and trying really hard, e.g. by doing research into the topics of 'catastrophy/war' and or 'mental health' in general. No two soldiers stories are alike. What might have seemed like a totally 'normal' experience for me, might have been what put your buddy over the edge. Just like, they might have experienced a thing 100 times with no problems, and then no 101, their world shatters. The human mind is fragile. Especially for someone like a soldier, who is trained to be tough. Meeting your breaking point can be extremely hard to accept. I wish you and your friend the very best. Trust me. Just having someone who cares for you, and accepts you, even though you are not "normal", means the world. And might lead to them getting better.

      @soul0360@soul03608 ай бұрын
    • @@Damian_1989The West has intefeered in elections across the world and installed dictators. So much for “peace and democracy”. You can’t pick one situation and judge everything related to it based on that one situation.

      @tetraxis3011@tetraxis30118 ай бұрын
    • ​​@@Damian_1989 Invades people's homelands.. Complains about their religion. "Home of the brave"

      @mirzahamzabaig5667@mirzahamzabaig56678 ай бұрын
    • @@Damian_1989 Religion of defending their own land from degenerate americans ahah.

      @thebattlefieldnick1@thebattlefieldnick18 ай бұрын
    • ​@@Damian_1989 Lindu?

      @GRAVEYARDOFEMPIRES539@GRAVEYARDOFEMPIRES5397 ай бұрын
  • Your cinemathografy getting Real good

    @stanschoon5459@stanschoon54598 ай бұрын
  • Id say the ISAF had higher casualties, mainly because of all the veterans killing themselves

    @testiclegaming1250@testiclegaming12508 ай бұрын
    • That is just tarded af

      @esanahka9284@esanahka92848 ай бұрын
    • Didn't mention the more than 4000 killed US contractors and 70k killed Afghan forces. But Taliban deaths were numbered at 53k killed. The US was doing less than 10% of the fighting in Afghanistan. The Taliban inflicted more losses on the allies than they suffered themselves. Even in Vietnam and that propaganda ratio, the US was doing less 30% of the fight. Had the US done 100% of the fighting in Vietnam, their losses would have easily exceeded 300k killed. And the only reason why losses of the Communist forces in Vietnam reached between 900k-1 million killed was because the Terrorist States (US) was bombing hospitals that were saving the lives of wounded Vietnamese troops in brutal and pure evil cowardly war crimes committed by American terrorists. Thus, wounded North Vietnamese troops were unable to get care when wounded in battle which contributed to high death rates among their ranks. Yet in battle, the ratio was around 1.5 to 2 Communist KIA for every 1 American terrorist, which was due to the significant firepower superiority of Terrorist forces. But keep crying about Putin and evil Russia.

      @eliasziad7864@eliasziad78648 ай бұрын
    • ​@@eliasziad7864USA and russia is evil. And china of course

      @idk-zi3gw@idk-zi3gw8 ай бұрын
    • There all secretly empires except some of them aren't that bad

      @idk-zi3gw@idk-zi3gw8 ай бұрын
    • @@eliasziad7864 Bruh stop coping about the NVA losing every battle

      @johnhenry4844@johnhenry48448 ай бұрын
  • I'm just glad that Afghanistan is finally in competent hands

    @BlueSaladid@BlueSaladid8 ай бұрын
  • I loved when American said: "Its Americaning time" and americaned all over Afghanistan. Truly one of the interventions of all time.

    @noobhabs5884@noobhabs58848 ай бұрын
    • Dead meme

      @ZealousWins@ZealousWins8 ай бұрын
    • @@ZealousWins 🤓☝☝☝

      @noobhabs5884@noobhabs58848 ай бұрын
    • heeeeerp deeeeerppp me have low iq of 1 with herp derp meme

      @schatzkammerein@schatzkammerein8 ай бұрын
    • Ooohhhh good one

      @bradsanders407@bradsanders4077 ай бұрын
  • i was at fort knox on some training and a 2 star came up to us and told us what was going on at the end

    @ghost0nlive67@ghost0nlive678 ай бұрын
  • The most troubling though is that our military and political leadership has not drawn any meaningful lessons from this episode of history. 2 years back we had a retired Sergeant Major that worked for over 10 years at the Pentagon address a class of PDC graduates. He claimed Afghanistan was, in his words, “a war lost at the 5 yard line” - he took no responsibility even though he was at the very top of the decision making elite and claimed the war was absolutely won prior to the evacuation… I sat very uncomfortably in the audience knowing full well that journalist, analysts, and professionals had been leveling enormous amounts of criticism and warning signs for more than a decade. I could only conclude he was trying to shape perceptions to divest himself of culpability. The bad thing about that is when we cannot make an honest assessment of failure, we cannot learn from it. Politics and personal interests supplant patriotism and service before self. A disappointment hearing this from one of our top enlisted “leaders.”

    @MROJPC@MROJPC8 ай бұрын
    • I disagree, respectfully

      @pewpewgamesinc@pewpewgamesinc8 ай бұрын
    • sure he was one of the highest enlisted rank in the military, but you forgot. NO ONE CARES because he is an enlisted. You think some civilian in high places who was voted in by the people would care for some random E-9 suggestions when it doesnt help them stay in office? and btw i highly doubt that E-9 was making some top level making elite decision. He was prob a E-9 in some logistics unit having to deal with keeping that unit afloat while he is their E-9.

      @iplayfoofee3547@iplayfoofee35478 ай бұрын
    • I agree, we are told perception is reality until reality kicks you to your knees after you cannot run anymore from it for brownie points.

      @sakuyaizayoi1746@sakuyaizayoi17468 ай бұрын
    • @@pewpewgamesinc That's all fun and games until you're me, a commercial delivery liquor driver who also deliver to "we heart veterans" establishments. Would you care to guess how many young veterans are in these places? Hint: think of a shocking answer... Ain't no fucking respect!

      @erickolb8581@erickolb85818 ай бұрын
    • @@erickolb8581 Bruh I should have explained myself I don’t think we lost the war at the 5 yard line. I think we lost it when we just ditched the country. Btw just because a vet doesn’t visit said establishment doesn’t mean they are not respected

      @pewpewgamesinc@pewpewgamesinc8 ай бұрын
  • Apparently this was the nail in the coffin for youtubes patience(check the recent community post). Gonna miss this channel after 2023 😭

    @noahpokeemon6503@noahpokeemon65038 ай бұрын
  • The Taliban's strategy was a strategy used by George Washington , Alexander I and countless other commanders ...They realized one crucial thing ,The only asset they had was the army and this was the only asset they couldn't lose and so they retreated and hid giving a dangerous illusion of outright victory to NATO. NATO officials were so confident of their victory that they never even bothered to come to an understanding, however one sided it may be with the taliban ie a disarmament exercise or general amnesty towards rank and file and maybe even trials for top commanders. They acted as if they had finished every single taliban fighter and boy were they wrong. In as much as we can judge them , I think we ought to remember they are still human and have flaws, Its easy to look at your fancy equipment and better training and compare it with your opponent's and conclude that your opponent stands no chance and the rather quick victory being as a result of said equipment and training especially when facing an army fueled by religious dogma, indeed when facing an army that uses su*c*de bombers ,the last thing you would think is that they would retreat just to preserve their ranks, and that is exactly what they did.

    @Avaricumstudios@Avaricumstudios8 ай бұрын
    • The only reason the Taliban won is because America didn’t try hard enough to win it.

      @maxtomlinson8134@maxtomlinson81348 ай бұрын
    • Also add in that Afghans knew they didn't need to field a massive army. Once they withdrew to the mountains all they had to do was block off certain access points, attack enemy supply lines, lure them in to ambush situations, and maintaining high ground. Very effective.

      @LTC366@LTC3666 ай бұрын
    • Well it wasn't, the Taliban lost every single engagement up until America pulled out@@LTC366

      @maxtomlinson8134@maxtomlinson81346 ай бұрын
  • 20 years of war crimes.

    @NeverLiees@NeverLiees8 ай бұрын
    • nope

      @Kingthere@Kingthere8 ай бұрын
    • @@Kingthere yup.

      @NeverLiees@NeverLiees8 ай бұрын
  • Rememeber kids Its not a failure Its a tactical retreat

    @mr.skully8787@mr.skully87878 ай бұрын
  • I feel like the saddest part of this is that for a time, life was better for a lot of Afghani people. Even if the government was so corrupt that it could collapse the moment the US looked away and there were still shortages and turmoil around the clock, it was a time when girls could go to school, people could watch movies and listen to music and play games on servers with people from other countries, women could have careers and enjoy things, people could leave the country and come back in. It was just a few basics and it wasn't enjoyed by everyone but those were freedoms that the generation before them didn't get to have and the generation after them won't get to have either. I feel heartbroken for everyone who has to live under religious fundamentalism like what the Taliban practice, but especially for those who got to see better things and now may never see them again.

    @Aw-ev1mv@Aw-ev1mv8 ай бұрын
    • I think the Taliban has loosened some restrictions recently. Nowhere as free as the old gov though.

      @tetraxis3011@tetraxis30118 ай бұрын
    • Seeing how the old gov actually worked, i put more faith in the taliban to actually not ruin their country even more then they are aleady, something the afgan puppet gov struggled to do even with the most powerfull military and militaro-industriel complex behind them

      @sotch2271@sotch22718 ай бұрын
    • @@sotch2271 The Taliban will simply use brute force to punish any afghans that resist. Make no mistake, the Taliban are about to enact a long list of crimes against humanity. I can’t wait to learn about them pouring acid on female for daring to walk outside without a male escort.

      @Kaiserboo1871@Kaiserboo18718 ай бұрын
    • Of course, all that freedom but you don't talk about all the wrong doings USA was doing while the occupation was happening. It wasn't all sunshine and roses. ¿Better? Maybe but not with out new ugly things that usa occupation bring with it.

      @ZxMoonLightxZ@ZxMoonLightxZ8 ай бұрын
    • All these supposed benefits were only enjoyed by a privileged few in Kabul. A vast majority lived the same life as they did before and in fact it was sometimes worse. Bandit warlords that the Taliban had driven away returned under the guise of "ANA Officers" and continued extorting the local population. Poppy production skyrocketed and degenerate warlords were given viagra by US intelligence so they can diddle little boys.

      @burningphoneix@burningphoneix8 ай бұрын
  • You know it’s a good day when the armchair historian uploads a video

    @gavinwhite8506@gavinwhite85068 ай бұрын
  • Great overview of this 20 years of Afghan history.

    @HistoryHustle@HistoryHustle8 ай бұрын
    • Hustling history FOR YOU!!!

      @xycomm5604@xycomm56048 ай бұрын
  • Bruh this add giving u a Cromwell b is one of the best premium tanks tier for tier in the game. Wish this was a promotion a few years ago before I bought it

    @MeMe-mb6pm@MeMe-mb6pm8 ай бұрын
  • Try to make a video on 1971 Indo-Pak war.

    @kushalpofali733@kushalpofali7338 ай бұрын
    • Hasn't he?

      @michaelmendoza2838@michaelmendoza28388 ай бұрын
    • @@michaelmendoza2838 He should also mention genocide, the biggest after the holocaust, supported by Americans.

      @IndiaTides@IndiaTides8 ай бұрын
    • @@michaelmendoza2838 No.

      @capncake8837@capncake88378 ай бұрын
    • It was not a indo-pak war. It was BANGLA-PAK war. Stop spreading ur indian dirty propagandas

      @servant-of-the-federation@servant-of-the-federation8 ай бұрын
  • Could you do the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? It’s not really talked about that much.

    @lukematthes4105@lukematthes41058 ай бұрын
    • He have a vídeo about it

      @cx24venezuela@cx24venezuela8 ай бұрын
    • Its talked a lot more than american invasion of afganistan

      @sotch2271@sotch22718 ай бұрын
    • Because it ended the same way

      @bigredwolf6@bigredwolf68 ай бұрын
  • Can’t wait until the next video!

    @alexofgaming@alexofgaming8 ай бұрын
  • Great EDUCATIONAL video about a uncomfortable topic

    @ckie-nk3de@ckie-nk3de8 ай бұрын
  • What a waste of life and resources.

    @Astorath_the_Grim@Astorath_the_Grim8 ай бұрын
    • money you can get back, life not so easy

      @user-op8fg3ny3j@user-op8fg3ny3j8 ай бұрын
    • True.

      @Astorath_the_Grim@Astorath_the_Grim8 ай бұрын
  • "Lets face it Mr President, we're up against goat herders." "Uh... I take offense to that. They are a noble people." "But we are bombing them." "Of course!"

    @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin8 ай бұрын
  • Nice video! I hope we get a similar video about the Soviet Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan!!

    @tomaslopez2940@tomaslopez29408 ай бұрын
  • Great video man!

    @Fallen_Arrow@Fallen_Arrow8 ай бұрын
  • What made the evacuation worse was the lack of sea. It was easier to evacuate with boats than planes.

    @napoleonibonaparte7198@napoleonibonaparte71988 ай бұрын
  • Both the us and Soviet union conquered the cities,towns and villages but could not conquer the afghan mountains.

    @MERCHANT_BOSS@MERCHANT_BOSS8 ай бұрын
    • Nah. It wasn’t the mountains that defeated us. It was US politicians.

      @huydang5955@huydang59558 ай бұрын
    • ​@@huydang5955And the corrupt Afghan politicans, and incompetent Afghan Army.

      @knighthunter1791@knighthunter17918 ай бұрын
    • @@huydang5955 No, Americans protecting there ego again, just like Vietnam

      @johnhenry4844@johnhenry48448 ай бұрын
    • Helmand and Kandahar isn’t very mountainous

      @Anakin_Sandy_High_Ground@Anakin_Sandy_High_Ground8 ай бұрын
    • @@johnhenry4844 as a Vietnamese, I say that the Americans also had it in the bag in Vietnam too. After the Tet offensive, North Vietnam had exhausted a lot of men, material, and effort in the failed attempt to take over South Vietnam. Their morale was at an all time low. One North Vietnamese general even said that they’d pretty much lost the war. However, US politicians lost faith in their own soldiers and made the fateful Paris Accord deal with North Vietnam. America had pretty much won the war, but gave the enemy the one thing they wanted: the withdrawal of American troops from South Vietnam, and the eventual cutoff of supplies to the ARVN. Meanwhile, the NVA pretty much had a blank check from the Soviets and Chinese, so they could afford to violate the agreement of the Paris Accord and re-launch another invasion into South Vietnam. One of my uncles, an ARVN soldier, recounts how in the Fall of Saigon, he and his unit destroyed a dozen NVA tanks and killed several times that number of enemy infantry before they ran out of US-supplied rockets to destroy more Commie tanks that came at them. The military supplies which America promised them if North Vietnam violated the Accords never came, because US men and women in suits in DC killed that promise.

      @huydang5955@huydang59558 ай бұрын
  • If y’all want to learn more in depth on this, the Blowback Podcast just came out with a new series on Afghanistan!

    @KittRembo@KittRembo8 ай бұрын
  • Keep on keepin on 👊

    @nickduff9753@nickduff97538 ай бұрын
  • Didn't realize it's been 20 years

    @zorintoto1167@zorintoto11678 ай бұрын
  • How much i love that we have left the ww2 vehind and went to the present, i would love if there was also a Victorian era video But present is perfect

    @mzk4193@mzk41938 ай бұрын
  • May peaceful times be among us for these years to come and cheers my fellow historians!

    @maniac5191@maniac51918 ай бұрын
  • Just like how drugs won the war on drugs, terror won the war on terror

    @cliffh.3279@cliffh.32798 ай бұрын
    • Not true

      @wiseandstrong3386@wiseandstrong33868 ай бұрын
  • British and Soviets/Russia failed, why did America think it couldn't be beat?

    @KangaKucha@KangaKucha8 ай бұрын
    • Even now that the war is over some Americans think they weren’t beat.

      @iamjohnfarlow@iamjohnfarlow8 ай бұрын
    • @@iamjohnfarlow they are wrong or whatever they smoke is very bad. Likley GOP...

      @KangaKucha@KangaKucha8 ай бұрын
    • Taliban was ousted and bin Laden was killed. Why we bothered to try to build them up I’ll never understand.

      @Justin-pe9cl@Justin-pe9cl8 ай бұрын
    • @@KangaKuchaIt’s called nuance. Better than your child mentality.

      @Justin-pe9cl@Justin-pe9cl8 ай бұрын
    • @@Justin-pe9cl eh?

      @KangaKucha@KangaKucha8 ай бұрын
  • The failed peace animation was epic lol.

    @havocgr1976@havocgr19768 ай бұрын
    • True. 😂

      @SpazzyMcGee1337@SpazzyMcGee13378 ай бұрын
  • With the passage of time the public understand and no-one listened to the nerds I do think this it is absolutely a historical event unfolding in our current world situation

    @Kayzplayzvr@Kayzplayzvr8 ай бұрын
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