Why Every Car Is Actually Japanese
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We all want a big screen in the dash that tells us where we’re going, a backup camera, a smooth and efficient transmission, and absolutely everything computerized, optimized, and not difficult for us to manage. What if we told you all those features started life as cool new bells and whistles on Japanese production cars a long, long time ago? What if we told you nearly every part inside your Ford had its origins inside a Japanese car?
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they went from sponsors like raid shadow legends and manscaped to sony and hyundai. the definition of "made it". 👏
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Getting bigger🙌
Just keep in mind this channel isn’t just a group of young car guys, it’s a media company that shopped for hosts and found some good personalities. Love their stuff, but was a little sad when I found out these guys didn’t actually start the channel.
@@bikerpunk64 yes, i knew that but the growth is still impressive
Vin diesel also modeled for them :O
“I think this means we made it?” “Yes, yes it definitely does”
@Wow wtf does asmr have to do with this haha
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Maybe folks should learn not to click on random links.
@@joehorn1762 yeah i have clicked on the links above and i am just getting worried for humanity
Now we just need a Donut Media x Gran Turismo clothing collab. Because that will ship way faster than Anti Social Social Club.
No shot I found you randomly😂
@@eon2357 maybe they got one.
ASSC is straight ass.
This would actually be fire wtf.
@@purwantiallan5089 one that came straight out of the box??
I was so stoked when I saw they were sponsored by Grand Turismo. That “I think this means that we made it.” Made me tear a bit, these guys truly deserve it. Love you Donut
These guys do not own nor did they start the Donut Channel, a Media company owns the Channel and hired all these guys as Personalities for the Channel.
@@shatteredreality1987 proof?
@@pederlentocky2518 legit a google search away
@@shatteredreality1987 Bruh Donut media was created by james but now its owned by universal .
Doing an engineering management module in college and all that stuff you said about Toyota and lean production etc. is 100% correct. Toyota are pretty much 100% responsible for how cars are nowadays and manufacturing in general, truly the greatest car manufacturer ever.
You can also take those concepts and apply them to any business or organization. Which is vastly needed because it's an active way to counter the bureaucracy that naturally forms when any organization gets to a certain size.
It was really hard to do some inventory management back when this system was absent in company because they said it was not necessary and pain in the ass doing it. But, when they saw another company who did that system was being successful and they said "It was nice to see it tidy and efficient, why we dont adopt it?". Once this happened, everyone will follow it with chain reaction with others and that was the magic of innovation that changed how it worked in our life.
Germany makes better cars.
I made a quality management course for health workers. Deming and his work for Toyota is one of the central lessons of the course because its so important and you can use it for so many fields.
Yup, here's something even more interesting. What's known as the Toyota was is highly influenced by the American, Edward Demming. He pioneered these lean and efficient quality models. He tried taking these concepts to American companies and they all told him to pound sand. But, the Japanese manufacturers at the time, coming out of WW2, were eager to learn, especially Toyota. Thus began the lean, efficient, high quality Japanese products boom.
Jeremiah is 22 years old according to the Gran Turismo 7 ad but states "I used to have to print out directions" from Mapquest back in the day. Mapquest hasn't been a thing for 17 years!
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He did say he was born in 2001 one time, though it's obviously a joke.
You can still obtain some…… just cuz it’s been a while mean u can’t get it ??
Dudes like 40 I think
This is the comment I was looking for. Thank you.
YO, A GT7 SPONSORSHIP?? Considering you already did an Ip to Speed on Gran Turismo, which truly showed your love for the game, this is fully deserved. This video itself is proof of how much care goes into making stuff for this channel.
It was the tighter tolerances, that allowed Japanese cars to last so long back in the 70s and 80s. Now everyone has gone much tighter with their specs. Makes for much smoother longer lasting machine
Ahhh yes, Mapquest. I remember my parents always asking “did you get the Mapquest” before we left on trips
My parents still say this whenever they need the gps... just mapquest it!
I remember using this to go on dates
I'm only 43 and I still find myself saying Mapquest, when I need to find directions. I'm analog in many ways. I like paper copies of stuff. My brain absorbs better that way.
There's also no way Jerry is old enough to have had to use it...
That stack of papers on the dash was quite a sight as a kid.
Let's take a moment to thank Germany for their innovations in the last 2 decades: 1. Plastic engines 2. Oil hoses that dissolve when in contact with oil 3. Gaskets that shrink and leak 4. Wiring that 'biodegrades' Feel free to add to the list.
5. Subscription-based infotainment features 6. Slapping badges on French cars
Urine proof makeup that's flammable
Mk5 SUprA
@@ventisette. *Slapping badges on Fren-* Ooohh wait, yeah
plastic oil filter housings that weld themselves (due to heat) to the motor
Its incredible what the Japanese industry was able to pull in their genesis. After ww2 all that energy and talent pooled for imperialism instead went to rebuilding the country in a way that wasn’t self destructive.
Meanwhile, here in the west, we are trying everything to destroy our civilization.🤷
@@daimonmt Japan is not far behind. Have U seen their reproductive numbers. They are all just watching anime till they die.
@@seetheanimal5867 We got South Korea to save us
You are not wrong but there is a bigger component to Japan's success. They invested heavily on education and ingrained it in their culture. This is not exclusive to Japan either, South Korea also went heavy on education and its paying off for them big time.
@@seetheanimal5867 that is very inaccurate, Japan's corporate work culture strikes a really poor work-life balance. With individuals having so little time left and so much social pressures to strive at work, less and less people are having kids as they often feel they simply can't balance their work needs with having children.
Love when Jerry reversed the driving sim. Top quality humor
It got me so hard and i laughed- XD
@@rissole_dot_exe Same lol
Of course it was Toyota that solved the reliability problem. That's their whole thing.
1st
Yup. My 92 corolla finally died. And I've had it since 92.
@@cliffsangelsphotography heart transplant. Put a 2JZ in it it’s only right
@@cliffsangelsphotography Drop another motor and trans into it for $300 bucks and keep rocking
My ass Honda did
There are definitely shortcomings, but GT7 is awesome. Cool to see them sponsor you Also the rollover thing (while I personally already knew) explains a lot why the back window of my Fiesta ST was like 2 inches long
I really hope it gets a good PC port
@@lorenzbeumers1601 I'd love you to be right, but it's not going to happen anytime soon (if ever).
so excited to pay 70 bucks to grind 8h and buy a single car, game of the year 😎🤝
@@bgirl47 youve onviously never played gran turismo.lol i have a bunch of whips before i even started.lol do the licenses first. Youll thamk me later ;)
@@bgirl47 you clearly don't own GT7 and probably don't even own a PS4 let alone a PS5.
It was worth mentioning GT2 for years. I liked the twist at the end of it too. Its no wonder why Japanese had so many innovation,they didnt want to build giant cars,like they did in the US.
I mean Toyota building giant trucks just fine. Tundras are by far the best trucks sold in the U.S. Can find several accounts of owners of these trucks going a couple hundred thousand miles in them with no failures occurring. American trucks just can't compare.
"Gyrocator" is an awesome name and actually pretty cool tech for the time. I can only imagine it would need to have the location reset pretty frequently as even a small amount of error would add up over time.
That was a sick commercial donut just made for GT7!
Their ads are the only ones I enjoy watching and don't skip.
CONGRATS ON GETTING A SPONSOR FROM ONE OF THE BEST CAR GAMES FRANCHISE EVER! 🎮
Forza is much better than GT
@@lucatiu1608 forza is amazing don’t get me wrong, goated game fr. but you should try GT. Both amazing games up there as the best. 🔥
@@lucatiu1608 there's always that one forza fanboy that has say their game is better. Every time.
@@nuaimi mad respect my guy ur right
@@lucatiu1608 both are great
Your videos have gotten to the point that I can watch every single one and be super entertained! This is awesome! Keep up the good work!
I had a chance to buy one of those electro gyrocators for my 1980 civic about 10 years ago. It was super cool, always reminded me of a pip-boy and fallout 3 maps; didn't pick it up because it was $$$ for something that had no real practical application for me besides looking cool at cars n coffee.
WOOHOO GRAN TURISMO BABYYYYY! I loved watching your video about the history of Gran Turismo so I want to see a gameplay video of you guys trying GT7 :)
Donut media, congrats on getting a sponsor from Sony and freaking GT7!! This is the definition of made it to the top, along with Hyundai.... To be refognized by such large multi national companies is awesome And Jerry, u r right... They do it for money Kaizen or something
Wonder how long of a list you can make of things that put a smile on Nick's face! Love the content guys! Greetings from the Netherlands
Must say, the navigation part hit different because of watching the episode on my phone, where my speedo usually is in my 1992 Opel. Quite nice, keep up the good work.!
As an Opel fan.. which model?
@@Nickeles020 Vectra, the 1.6i
This week was the best week of my life. I got to see a couple cool cars, I saw a BMW E29, an imported bug eye Subaru imprezza sti, son kind of Jaguar and 2 Saabs, a 92X and one I can't identify. I love in Canada and it's very unusual to see these rare cars, I'm surprised I even got to see any of them.
I saw a first-gen Scion xB the other day (never sold in Canada)...first time I've seen one in person.
Hey Donut, I’m a huge fan! Thanks for the amazing content
that was the best ad y’all have done. I loved the end with Jeremiah going in reverse in the sim setup lmao
So many positive comments on your sponsorship and I’ll add one more. You guys truly deserve it, proud of you guys and this community keep making these lovely videos guys. Reaching my 5th year as a car guy, and you guys taught me a lot. Seeing your subscriber count just imagine how many people you guys educated on cars👍🏻
WE WANT UP TO SPEED ON SKODA!!!
Congrats on the GT7 plug. You guys finally made it to the big time. I’m proud of you all and keep up the good work.
That thumbnail tho. To think of it, Honda Hellcat Type R would be sick. Imagine a RWD hatchback with a VTEC V8 under the hood
This t-shirt company makes some VERY informative car videos!
You guys should realease a video of the entire donut media staff racing on gt7 to see who's ranked best
Honestly the best ad I'd ever watched
This was a fabulous ad bit. Really stepping it up. Bonus bit is 💯
I love the lean process.. it’s been adapted / adopted been the tech industry and many others since..
love the vids guys! keep up the good work!
When he said "later Nolan" and reversed I lost it. I was not expecting that lmao
That wasn't even an ad it was a awesome short video within this awesome video 👌🏼
That ad actually made me want to play the game, that’s rare
I also had a 1995 Lexus SC300, and then later bought a 1994 SC400 after a deer was attracted to its beauty, late one night. Gotta be one of the coolest Japanese cars ever made, and they last forever!
or until you hit a deer I guess
Yo, did these guys really buy a legit flamethrower for a 3 second gag? 🤣 Legendary.
Yooooo shoutout to mapquest !!! True throwback ! I used to be hype to read the directions and get us there correctly !!
I'm playing GT7 right now! Remember they did an UTS episode on GT franchise? Yamauchi-san probably saw that and thought the guys at donut did a pretty good job telling their stories. Plus, the game just fits the theme of this B2B episode!
2:25 emotional damage
Jerry backing out with the sim rig had me in stitches!!!
I remember before they had a mil subs not too long ago. Love to see these guys have continued success !
I actually noticed the picture change from a Honda ram truck to Honda dodge Challenger 😂. Sneaky donut media. Plus they need to have a video of the crew playing Forza or gt7 and see who wins
When I saw it. I thought what a cursed image this is. Honda challenger.
@@redlinearroyo847 😆
4:18 You skipped some very important years from the history of auto manufacturing. The Training Within Industry used a "small-step work improvement" during WWII military equipment manufacturing instead of big steps that required more time to implement. When Homer Sarasohn went to Japan as part of the nuclear fallout reparations, he brought this management technique with him, which became known as kaizen. Kaizen originated as an Amercian management technique, not Japanese. It's just happened that this American was working in a Japanese factory, so the first factory to use it was in Japan.
Was looking for this comment. Learned this in my operations class.
yep true, learned this in my engineering management module in college. Funny how an american is responsible for the decline in US manufacturing and the skyrocket of Japanese manufacturing
I'm going to watch this gran turismo ad all the way through everytime. Awesome way to do an ad and congrats to the team GT is legendary.
I had TomTom on my Nokia 6600 using an external, Bluetooth connected GPS reciever back in, like, 2005/2006 I think . It worked really well too 😁👍
Donut media is one of the best car channels out there!
With that title, i expected a D-list, like "boats are just cars for the water"
I'm learning so much from this channel, do they have a video on the Japanese luxury car brands and how that came to be? (Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Genesis)
Great show, love ya work, cheers from an eX Australian auto worker ✌🏼🇦🇺
Volvo invented 3 point seatbelts and chose not to patent them on purpose.
Skit aside who's actually the best driver at donut?
My money's on ol' Jerry.
Touch screen was years ahead of that starting in the 85 Olds Tornado and Buick Riviera well before the the 90's.
OMG congrats on this huge sponsor. Truly the best car related channel! One might say top gear of our time :)
9:13 It's wrong Toyota weren't the first to put a color touch screen in their cars, but Oldsmobile in 89 with the Toronado and then Buick. (I'm not a pro American car persons since I'm French. But, on this point and many others in terms of technology and safety. American and European cars have been ahead, the Japanese have just often greatly simplified and therefore reliability of the systems.
Dude, you don't gotta be sorry for stating facts :D If it's true, it's true. Every car brand has its pros and cons. All cars are deserving of love.
Oui surtout que l'automobile moderne c'est grâce à l'Europe et notamment la France : châssis monocoque, suspension double triangulation, transmission traction que l'on retrouve sur la Citroën Traction Avant en 1934 et qui maintenant est la base.
Toyota had color touchscreens in 1987 (MS137 Crown)
@@jacobcirulis9324 Didn't some sub-brand of Mazda have a touch screen too? One of Mazda's luxury sub-brands
@@skythundersky1544 The JC Eunos Cosmo had a color touchscreen with CD-ROM navigation in 1990, like Toyota had done in 1987. The Cosmo CCS is distinctive because it uses GPS, while Toyotas EMV was still inertial.
A little disappointed that it wasn't mentioned that post-WWII, Japan needed to salvage their shattered industries and ensure things worked for long periods of time, which was one of the main impetuses in producing things like vehicles with high-reliability and low downtime.
Like how Toyota had programs or something dedicated to rebuilding old toyotas to keep them running. I'm sure Datsun did the same and then Honda later on too. Their auto industry was molded by a need for reliable efficient cars. I remember seeing old footage of a Toyota fj40 going in for a full service and carb rebuild and greasing everything up before heading back out and alot of roads were still crappy and rough as hell. Probably also why Denso started to make so many high quality long lasting parts for cars. Like denso spark plugs reccomended to change every 100k but I've seen Hondas and toyotas with 150k on oem denso and they run fairly good and don't even look half bad for being way overdue
@@redlinearroyo847 Its a testament to how products can indeed be engineered to last, however bullshit business practices lead to shitty cars being built. Really, the engineers and what they've achieved is incredible. But if a business is rotten on the inside it's shitty practices show, much like planned obsolescese. At least Toyota still builds reliable machines today. I changed OEM coil packs on my GX470 at 220k miles, and ironically enough only did that due to a bad diagnosis. Come to find out all the coilpacks are just fine... Its pretty insane how well engineered they have been
@@d1sturb3d119 my Honda had oem ignition wires, spark plugs, radiator and almost everything was oem besides air filter and oil on the car. Most of that stuff I had to replace when it got 20 years old but that's pretty good. Also all Denso products.
@@redlinearroyo847 My '92 SC400 still has a ton of OEM parts on it despite being a drift/track car. Honestly I'm surprised people don't like these kinds of cars more. It keeps on going. Even when I don't stay on top of maintenance. Like I can honestly say I love the cars I own. They've been dependable, haven't left me stranded, and despite the abuse I put on them, they take it and give me joy when they're pushed. Its like everything an enthusiast wants from a car that won't be a bitch to you :P
Purolator (literally Pure-oil-later, but with that early 1900s marketing jazz) was/is a Canadian company, too. Within a few decades, they had dropped the oil filter thing and moved onto becoming, basically, a privatised branch of Canada Post, and are currently a fully private courier service like FedEx, DHL, etc.
I feel like you guys have done a video on every type of vehicle, but I've never seen one on semi trucks. They have some of the sickest custom work ever and they make up a huge amount of the vehicles we see on the road every day.
They did an up to speed on Peterbilt.
@@dr.redstone7980 Ah, I didn't know that. Thanks!
Just saw the title, before clicking on this vid, and I can confirm that it’s true. My 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid uses the same Hybrid tech Toyota uses for the Prius. Also, Ive seen this vid 3 seperate times, n every time it has the honda badge on a different car. lol
Currently shocked, all this time I thought Jeremiah was quite older than me... Turns out he's not... I don't know how to feel about that...
Same, apparently James is only like 23 too
@@shanemaguire11 james looks like hes in his mid 30s lmao
@@shanemaguire11 I thought I read James was around 35-36 years old, Jeremiah's got to be late 30's, early 40's.
@@jesseshort8 So, do you think they were joking about Jeremiah's age in this video?
@@shanemaguire11 Oh god! This makes me feel like I've done nothing with my life in comparison!
I hate ads! But I watched this one all the way through! It made me tear up cuz I love you guys and I love Gran Turismo! You guys are killin it!
im studying Lean six sigma for my business program this semester cool to see you guys do a video on this topic I'll see if i can manage to use this information on an assignment haha.
You could say Japan is responsible for almost all modern living. Look up “Ito Hirabami” first prime minister of Japan, long story short. All of his journals are in Japanese and need to be translated, but there is a spot where he talks about “our mastermind is none other than the great Nikolai Tesla”. Goes on to talk about creating superconducting metals and materials for Tesla and other projects they collectively worked on. I would get into more detail but not to many people care or know about electromagnetic propulsion and that jazz
Share as much info as you can I don't mind
Tesla was robbed
Continue...
really cool to se donut sponsored by gt7, they have definitly made it
Great content as always, loved the GT7 skit 👏🏼
I had a 1964 Datsun VB10 and it had self cancelling indicators.(blinkers) amazing😊
Buick had them (called Flash-Way Directional Signals) in 1940. They were standard on Buick, Cadillac, Hudson, and LaSalle, and optional on Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac. They were an update of an earlier, rear only, non self cancelling version.
Donut, continuing to figure out how to make me watch ads. Well played.
Jeremiah is not 22 buddy easily goin on 30
I enjoy learning from you 👏🏼👏🏼thank you
Got me rolling at the bit in the end, kept shouting "How did they leave this in! How!" 🤣
I bet an “anti-tesla” style car manufacturer that literally just made the most simple, analog, cars and trucks, that are built to last forever, would do really well. They could be electric too just no dumb unnecessary accessories.
Too good of an idea. Won’t ever happen.
Makes me think of Lucid. Not analog, but it's about simplicity and quality. And quite anti-Tesla!
So every car is a jdm car?
Tf? No. JDM means Japanese domestic market. JDM cars are cars built for Japan only. I really hope your comment is supposed to be sarcastic.
@@bigtony7512 its a fucking joke
I love donut, it would be awesome if yall did a video breaking do all the partnerships between car companies. Mainly the ones that are lesser known
How excited were you guys when you guys got that sponsor…😬and it was grand turismo. You guys are the best.
First yassssssss
I love the arc de soleil in the background of this video they’re awesome
"Nolan Sykes, not 22 years old" lmfao... Gets me every time.
The add reminded me of the time Nolan won the donut media cart racing, I think its time for a round 2.
1:53 😂😂😂 I'm getting jack black in nacho libre vibes heavy here lmao
The GT7 ad reminded me of vghs and the first race between Ted and Drift King
First touch screen in a car was in an 80's buick. first backup camera was in a buick in the 50's
I'd watch just an ad compilation from these guys and not even get bored
Nissan also had a similar thing in 81 but without a screen and the first GPS was in the Mazda Cosmo.
Please do a B2B on different kinds of brakes (disc, drum, motorcycle, air/semitruck)
These guys put so much effort into making their adds as entertaining as the rest of the video that sometimes I forget I’m watching an add
Love this video! As a Lean manufacturing engineer, the TPS changed the entire game. Used across multiple industries.
The electro gyrocator is actually a form of what’s called an Inertial Navigation System, which when implemented properly is incredibly accurate. We use them on aircraft as a backup to GPS, and they use a combination of accelerometers, gyros, and rate gyros. At the beginning of your flight you simply put in your gps coordinates, which it won’t let you mess up because it can tell when you’re wrong, let it align for a few minutes, and then off you go. They also use them at sea in certain applications, but since weight isn’t as much of a concern they’re typically far larger and therefor more accurate, but also take significantly more time to align
I love the commercials you guys do I can never skip em
Yo awesome video. Y’all should do a deep dive into saab
1:36 U guys definitely made it XD congrats!. Love u guys keep up the great work
Watching this from my 1996 Toyota Crown Majesta made me very happy when you got to the EMV screen 😂
2:14 I miss shuffle races Nolan you were there 2013or so 😂
Where did you get that Yamaha shirt? I like it. Nice episode also, as usual.
When the subject of navigation came up I had a feeling my Soarer would get mentioned... love my old beast
A few really significant innovations you probably don't know about the origin of. Things that everyone uses now. Electronic fuel injection: 1958 Chrysler/Bendix. The electronic computer used vacuum tubes, pre transistor, wasn't stable, Bendix licensed the patents to Bosch, went into production with VW in 1965. First antilock brakes on production sedan(Jag and Mercedes had them earlier on sports cars): 1970 Chrysler Imperial, option lasted only one year because nobody bought them. First beehive (conical) valve springs: 1980 Chrysler 3.3 in minivans.