i read the "bridgerton" book and it's... problematic (racism, sexism, consent, and bad writing)
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after watching the netflix adaptation of julia quinn's "bridgerton" books i decided to read the first book in the series called 'the duke and i' ... and it made me want to puke and die x
[trigger warnings: discussions of sexism, racism, consent]
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"Simon has really bad daddy issues and no therapist". Simon has to get in line...
Lmao more like wait to get in line
HHAHSHSHHEEHSJHDNCNEIWJ And Draco Malfoy too 💀 ✨
Jace Herondale and Clary Fairchild
Istg there’s a line for the line.
Well, true though.
One of those rare moments where the screen IS better than the book .
YES YES YES YES
It's so weird to me when people say "the book is always better" because I have read/watched SO many where the movie is better. Just off the top of my head, The Devil Wears Prada, The Notebook, Bridget Jones' Diary, The Princess Diaries (even in my teenage years I couldn't stand Mia😂), and a lot (I mean A LOT) of these YA romances turned netflix originals. There are so many where the movie is entertaining but the book is complete shit.
Indeed
The Magicians - first book i disliked ever - when thought the series was quite good.
“Killing Eve” is also much better than the book. Think it is called “Codename Villanelle”.
Quinn saying if she included minority characters that the other characters would be mean to them is absolutely mind boggling to me. Does she realise that she can decide how her own characters act? She literally wrote a sexist, racist book and then was like but it's not my fault, it's my characters. Wow.
Idk maybe she wanted to be historically accurate? Idk the story so 😅
fr as a writer you get to pick how characters act- and yes sometimes the characters end up different than intended, but things like how they treat minorities is absolutely something that is under the author’s control.
@@junhansguitar1036 but she probably wanted to be historically accurate
@@dankhnw8 and there is such a thing as creative liberties where even in realistic or historical fiction facts can be tweaked. world building that is unique to this story is permitted. This would allow the author to determine racial relations while maintaining a mostly historically accurate tale. And seeing as this is fiction it is not expected to be 100% accurate
@@junhansguitar1036 it is not expected but if the author decides she wants to be as close to reality as she can get, then how can you tell her not to? It's her story. Write your own historical romance with minorities included.
“The Bridgerton siblings are named in alphabetical order, like the Kardashians could never” is absolutely an underrated line!
Whether it’s more the “duke and I” or I want to “puke and die” 😂😂😂
I LOVED THIS SO MUCH I WAS LAUGHING FOR LIKE A WHOLE MINUTE
I had to stop the video, because I was laughing so hard.... am I embarassing? definitely! Was it a great joke? For sure!!!
this was so so good! clever clever
I definitely wanted to puke and die so I felt very much seen
I nearly died laughing 😂😂
This book just sounds like it's straight out of Wattpad
I thought the same thing while watching 🤣
@@neliaaa After could never
@@minagrujic177 battling it out for toxic adaptation of the year 🤣 but bridgerton definitely takes the crown
@@neliaaa The winx one also reaches high with whitewashing
It’s slightly better written than a wattpad novel but the plot is the same
I've seen a lot of people playing down the rape. Common responses are "he deserved it he lied to her" "she didn't know what she was doing" "it was hot she was in control". It doesn't sit right and idk why they thought it would.
Daphne was not tricked into marriage. She knew the "No Kids" rule. The reasons should not matter. She chose to marry the Duke. She wanted him so much that she was willing to give up a much better match and ruin her reputation.
@4Freedom4All At no point was Daphne tricked into marriage. Why are you telling such a bald-faced lie? She literally pleads with the Duke to marry her because she feared someone saw them kissing in the garden. He felt bad and did so but he CONSTANTLY told he he couldn't have kids and didn't want her to be in a situation where her husband would never give her children. She didn't care and opted for marriage anyway. She RAPED him. How is this not clear to you? She could've just not raped him... Jeez why are people so disgusting?
Me: thinking back to when men weren't held accountable for rape using those same excuses people are using for Daphne. Honestly, are people tone-deaf? Men can be raped and it's not a problem if people say "She didn't know what she was doing". Are you telling me she didnt have a whole conversation with the woman in charge of his house and have an idea of what could happen? Seriously.
But obviously it can't count as rape if the girl is the one doing it! /huge amounts of sarcasm Honestly, though, it's thinking like this that makes people brush off female teachers grooming their male students. Because obviously the guy must have thought it was cool, and all the other guys are jealous of him, because it couldn't possibly be traumatic for someone to be pushed into something like that. After all, isn't that all guys think about anyway? So damaging on so many levels.
It doesn’t even MATTER if she was tricked into the marriage or not, rape is NEVER okay. Doesn’t matter if the Duke did something wrong too, no one ever deserves something like that.
The actress for Penelope is gorgeous. Seriously, her hair color and eyes caught my attention right away. Had no idea the book describes her character like that
I guess they thought they could cast an overweight pretty girl and assume people would think that is the same as an ugly girl with a little baby fat.
I didn't like her at *all* but I think it was her personality. At first I did but then she kind of got toxic so no thanks.
I am wondering if they want her to lose weight or will Penelope's story be changed and Colin will simply appreciate her the way she is
Her features rival Daphne's in my opinion, the actress could honestly play Daphne if conventional beauty standards were ignored.
@@perfect0nly I was wondering this as well. I am afraid they will
netflix: makes bridgerton bright and colorful and winx dull and gloomy um?
I guess they thought it worked for Riverdale and Sabrina so why not for Winx? I think if they made a dark edgy W.I.T.C.H. series that would have been amazing. Sadly they picked the wrong magical girl series for that.
Different director! The director on Bridgerton has someone who i can’t remember the name of but she worked on Scandal & Grey’s Anatomy
@@karlacortez9510 you're talking about the legend Shonda Rimes
@@aryanupadhyay5027 YES I AM THAT'S THE NAME
Ikr?! 😭✋🏻
tw: rape and the tv show is even WORSE they tried to make the rape a "feminist thing" and the creator says he doesn't regret the decision about that scene because it's part of daphne's development. i just can't believe it. it is SO problematic
Literally - and barely anyone seems to mention that??
So disgusting...
oh wow ew "yes she's a r*pist but that's just part of who she is haha!!" that's so disgusting
Yeah I was very shocked by that scene
It's disgusting, and no one is talking about it
8:37 "She didn't write minority characters into her romance novels, because she felt like the white people in the novels would be mean to them". Oh... It must be hard to not be able to control your characters or the events in your books in any way. Reminds me of the interview: George Stroumboulopoulos: "There's one thing that's interesting about your books. I noticed that you write women really well and really different. Where does that come from?" George Martin: "You know I've always considered women to be people."
People forget what the default should be cause the average is not
why is it a white female author problem to give meaty characters to POC? because it reflects their own lack of seeing a positive aspect of that huge group of people look at JK Rowling all her coloured characters are miniscule bit parts and the one more described character in her non HP book is the target of racial bullying both by her and the charcters in the book
omg where can I find this interview lol
Girl it’s in the 1800’s do you think the white characters would shout Black Lives Matter 😭😭
@@ali-vv7pb some of the actual white people living in the 19th century actually did do that.
"I cannot root for a guy called Hyacinth, I'm sorry." *Apollo would like to know your location.*
I see another addition to the rocks and flowers collection.
Lester papadopoulos?
Yessss A Percy Jackson reference!
Lester!
@Someone 333 aw this made smile 🌞
I find a lot of writers, both men and women, who romanticise the regency period also romanticise sexist and unpleasant men. Not a good time
very true!! if it's "regency reimagined" reimagine the damn attitudes too !!
Jack Edwards literally. Same vibes as when I read fantasy and a male author has put sexism into their imagined world. Like honey we actually don’t need it.
Darcy was unpleasant until he wasn't and became a cinnamon roll.
Leonor Heitor I feel like the whole point of darcy was that he was rude but never actually a bad person and basically just super awkward. And then modern writers will just take and and make a character who’s an actual arsehole and act like it’s the same
@@Artemisdianaxxx exactly! I once saw a video about After and how Hardin was like a Darcy and I thought to myself: "if he is inspired in a character of any sort, it's Heathcliff"😂
‘You had the brain to make an 8 part series but didn’t have the brains to write in 1 minority’ Jack coming through speaking the truuuuuuth
Right like the show is even worse with the lack of diversity
@@AikiraBeats no it isn't. There are several black actors. Also considering the time period, they did well to balance realism with diversity
@@isabel-qs6lf it is so performative, there is like 1 south Asian actor. Plus the black actors are fairly light and have somewhat Eurocentric features
@@penguinbedsheets773 true. But adding too much diversity white washes history. If it seems too equal, then it's almost not acknowledging the dynamics at the time/slavery etc
@@isabel-qs6lf it's not meant to be historical drama, they literally have thank you next in the show. It's just a Regency series
What's crazy to me is that so many people didn't even realise that scene was rape! Whenever I got onto the topic of Bridgerton with someone I would mention how bad the rape scene was and every person would look at me with confusion and go "what rape scene?". It absolutely blew my mind and shows how we still have such a long way to go with how men's consent and sexuality is treated in addition to women's.
I was horrified when I saw it and the fact that people don’t even realise it or even defend it😖
Oh please that was not rape 🤣
@@mohamedahmedyassinhussein6856 The fact that you don't think that was rape is extremely concerning. Please educate yourself on what rape is before making these kind of comments.
@@sims2lovealot they were both having seggs and she didn’t get up fast lol how is that rape 🤣🤣
@@mohamedahmedyassinhussein6856 I'm referring to the scene where she raped Simon so that she could have a child. He was drunk and insisted that he didn't want it. It was not mutually consensual and she knew that, and she knew that he didn't want children. It was rape.
When jack was like "Simon has daddy issues and no therapist" I laughed so hard because the first interview I saw of the actor who plays Simon he was like "someone please give him a hug and get him a therapist, like it all could get fixed with therapy" and "please smile"
Yeah Rege Jean Page is as handsome as he clever.
“have her back cracked like a glow stick” I lost it 😂
Same😭😭
😂😂😂
SAMEEEEE
i literally spat out my soup when he said this
I laughed, and then subscribed!
julia quinn really said "my characters are ✨racist✨" with no critical thinking whatsoever
wait where?
@@miapendragon5931 when he was talking abt how all the characters were white he mentioned that the author said she didn't include minority characters cuz she didn't think the white characters would treat them well.... which is a lot to unpack
@@ositaiza888 yeah like i get if the characters in the book had been white ( because that’s what would’ve been historically accurate for the time and place it was set) but the comments she made about race really showed that it wasn’t about that, she was just flat out racist
Yes, as were the people of that time period. Stop being silly.
@@sneakerhead6625 the people of that era DID think Africans were savages. It’s very sad but true. And if she hadn’t highlighted views of the Westerners in this era, people would be at her neck for ‘white-washing’ history. It happened, she put it in her book, but yet she is racist? She is representing history factually.
"It is now the next morning because I am sick of Julia Quinn's shit" is a fucking mood
“as if the prince might not be even a little bit annoyed that this random woman left his family heirloom on this bridge so she could have her back cracked like a glowstick by the duke” IM DEAD
Tw: rape The worst part of the Netflix series, for me, is that they only SLIGHTLY change the rape scene to make it a little less rapey, but it is STILL assault in the actual scene. She still very clearly rapes him, and it's still glossed over, and even worse the fact that they bothered to change it makes it seem like.. they don't consider what happened as rape? And SO many people don't seem to realise she raped him. It's so upsetting.
I was also REALLY disappointed that they glossed over it in the series afterwards - in the book, it's definitely not *addressed* to the extent it should have been, but the impact on Simon is much greater, especially with him regaining his stutter, which stuck with me. It was really disturbing to watch that scene in the show and then just.... move on to smth else ??? Like nothing happened, and then 3 scenes later he forgave her???
And the producers of the show where like: yeah we kept it because it made Daphne into an empowered woman Nah, just made her into a rapist
@@janina_667 what on earth, can you link me to that video ?
Omg LITERALLY WHY IS NO ONE PROPERLY TALKING ABOUT THIS
I haven’t even watched Bridgerton, but I read about that scene in an article and immediately knew it was gonna be a no from me.
“Simone becomes the king of the pullout game” 😭💀
I wheezed. 😭✋🏻
He controls his bullets better than the king's best marksman. :D
It can be hard to read romance because it’s really depressing to see how engrained misogyny is even in female authors. Romance books can be the most misogynistic some times!
Or in this case, misandry. And like, not in the bad faith MRA way, but the "I'm a feminist and raping this man will prove a feminist moment for me" way.
But wasn’t she trying to show that misogyny? And how horrid it is
@@user-gb5ur8ui5eThat would’ve worked if the book was meant to be a parody.
"And if they are unconscious, don't make them tea. Unconscious people don't want tea and they can't answer the question 'do you want tea' because they are unconscious."
my names for the bridgerton brothers were sideburns, artsy and the other brother, so... basically the same.
which makes perfect sense because even in the book, all the bridgerton brothers were canonically referred to/treated like they can replace each other and no one would notice, lol. which is pretty fucked up in and of itself, and it played into at least one brother's internal conflict about his identity.
We’re artsy and older brother not the same person
No, the other (3rd) brother was the one who was going to marry Marina Thompson.
I was calling them Sideburns, Hair and Miscellaneous.
Mine are sideburns, bisexual, and Penelope's boy
I was honestly gobsmacked that they left that assault scene in. I know they toned it down so Simon’s not drunk/almost unconscious, but it still doesn’t change the fact that she assaulted him. I also hate that people have defended Daphne’s actions saying she didn’t know what she was doing, she wasn’t educated about all of that stuff. No, at that point she was acting out of malice and she knew exactly what she was doing!
Say no to censorship
The book was written like an average fanfiction. I genuinely only powered through it because I am used to reading fanfiction, so I just considered it a Harry Potter AU about Ginny and Draco instead of an actual piece of literature. However, I had to stop at that scene because if it were fanfiction I would have never read it since there would have been a warning about dubious consent/non-con. I never finished this book
Exactly like you don’t learn consent , you should already KNOW consent like why would anyone think it’s okay to force anyone to do anything , I never learned consent but I have always know not to touch or do anything to someone without their consent
I'm mad Penelope was described like that. She was the cutest thing and it always cheered me up whenever she came on
Hers is the only good Book in the series i have read yet bc the story has the romance between the best characters plus its about the other two best characters (Lady Danbury and Eloise)
The fact that she assaulted him when he was intoxicated makes it so much worse. Imagine if the roles were reversed.
People still wouldn't care cause it's a ✨ sexual✨ crime....ick.
Stop with the imagine if the roles were reversed. It’s terrible no matter what and literally all the people I’ve seen who saw it thought so
@@askeladd6115 I think what they mean by "imagine if the roles were reversed" is people would be much more shocked if they saw a man assault a woman than the opposite, since people are defending Daphne
@@HarleyCringe I know exactly what they mean. But in reality, the people defending Daphne are no better than the people campaigning for Mason Greenwood’s freedom.
It’s crazy that people think “women can be bad/evil too” is a revolutionary new take that is unpopular because big bad feminism has successfully run its course and and we need to swing back in the other direction to restore balance or something
The girl who plays Penelope is so pretty
honestly! i think red hair really suits her, but then i think it suits everyone
I KNOWW
Yesss she really is
You mean Nicole Coughlan. You can also find her as one of the main characters in "Derry Girls" on Netflix which I can't recommend enough BUT be aware that the are speaking in an Northernirish accent which is really strong and uses lots of slang :)
Yeahh she's gorgeous! 💖
Jack: "I'm the ugly friend" Suuuuuuree, Jack, suuuurreeee
Literally. Come on man... you’re f%king gorgeous
i was like: who are you friends with?! harry styles, zendaya???
@@Eva-cx5kw lol my two main celeb crushes.
trying to steal my part>:( stay in your lane jack
I can’t stand when attractive people pull that shit.
As a teenager with childhood-onset fluency disorder, I would have *loved* to read about a character like the Duke having to struggle with stammering too. It's so tiring that the media always represents us as mentally challenged or stupid, and, contrary to what the Netflix adaptation seems to think, it's usually not something that you can just "mature out of". These speech problems are probably going to stay with us forever, even if we control or hide it like the Duke did in the books. It just rubs me the wrong way that Netflix ignored that part of him because it didn't fit their idea of a good/attractive character.
I'm very sorry that you feel that way. If it helps, Netflix has a show called the Umbrella Academy where one of the characters(Diego) had a stammer growing up. The show is almost exclusive in that it focuses on them as adults so his stammer is mostly under control but it does make a small reappearance in his adult life. It isn't an important characteristic of him or does it have a major role in the plot, but it's there. I do understand that this isn't enough and that the media should not misrepresent a struggle faced by many people-or hell, ignore them entirely- but I very much hope that this could give you a little bit of comfort. Hope you have a beautiful day 💝
@@valenciajoshua881 omg, yes!! I actually already watched it and DAMN did the flashbacks of Reginald ridiculing Diego for his stutter hit hard. And I'm definitely glad to see that other people share my sentiments about the representation of verbally challenged people in media. Hope you have a wonderful day, too 💝
actually it does sometimes go away completely. i had issues myself couldn't speak till i was 4 to five years old. and when i eventually learnt how to talk i stammered up till my teenage years then it gradually stopped...i am 36 i don't stammer anymore at all...
@@parix85 Really? That's so cool! How long did it take to completely lose ur stammer?
A really good movie if you haven’t seen it is The King’s Speech. It’s about the eventual king of England during world war 2 working to fix his stutter because he will be expected to give speeches regularly if he becomes the king. I really enjoyed it as some with a speech impediment who wants to go into politics, it is really cool to see leaders in government, like King George or Biden, who are or have been successful leaders in spite of the way their speech impediment made some people perceive them.
I came here for a 15 minute review of the Bridgerton series and now I’m just thinking about how uncomfortable sex on stairs could be and that jack actually said the words she threw his family heirloom just to get cracked like a glow stick
Listening to Jack talk about *trigger warning* sexual assault against men and explain the Tea concept was great, I'm so happy i stan a well educated, well-spoken and woke booktuber. You're my favourite!!
and yet interestingly, men have no say in forced parenthood and are commonly forced into parenthood. (and the biggest killer of pregnant women is homicide and of young men its sui@ide. go figure) all of a sudden when it comes to a man having a say about forced parenthood people like you dont care then. hmm equality huh
being woke is awful
"so she can have her back cracked like a glowstick by the duke" ABSOLUTELY SENT ME
“The Kardashians could never” is an underrated line.
i cried
the Penelope thing is very much important for later books, because describing her the way they do is supposed to be how society (which was just particularly shit and mean back then) is seeing her only for her looks, when as the series goes on, as she *spoiler alert* comes into her own and away from her awful family, she grows in confidence and starts dressing how she wants. She was never supposed to be ugly, just dressed in an unflattering way by her controlling mother.
I really like Pen’s and Eloise’s story the most.
She was never supposed to be ugly? You should tell Julia Quinn that. She wrote her ugly. And then she made her lose weight and then *boom* time for a love interest to take notice.
Thanks for talking about the SA scene. When I was watching that scene in the show, I got really uncomfortable because Simon’s face totally said that he wanted Daphne to stop and the fact that she kept going made me feel ill.
literally the reason I kept watching Bridgerton was Eloise’s entrance when she screamed up the stairs at Daphne, I can’t imagine her not speaking in the book
justice for eloise bridgerton !
I think the first book is the worst in the series and that Simon and Daphne are the least interesting characters. Eloise and her story is the best. I think Eloise is in the fifth book. The writing is still meh but I hope the show improves it if they ever make a fifth season supposing they follow one season per one book.
@@rasanashrestha5648 Facts
I'm pretty sure Eloise has her own book
@4Freedom4All The Netflix series had to reveal who Lady Whistledown was, just in case they didn't get picked up for anymore seasons. I heard about RJP too. The only reason why I was interested in S2 was for any glimpses of Simon and Daphne and the baby. Anthony did not hold my attention at all. When I watched it again, I fast-forwarded through his scenes.
Finally someone mentioned the necklace. I was screaming at the screen in the middle of the night “ Pick the damn necklace, you Idiot !!!! “ 😂😂
Right?! And afterwards I fully expected some drama about loosing such an expensive piece but no one cares 😂
@@laudea2676 i hoped at least someone would mention the necklace, even the prince, maybe then they’re would’ve been a nice plot line
Literally! Especially when she's talking to the blonde who liked the prince (can't remember her name) who saw Simon and Daphne making out, and she says that she never left the ballroom. I was really expecting that to result in the blonde saying she found the necklace or something so she knew Daphne left the ballroom, and blackmailing her to leave the prince alone in exchange for not revealing Daphne lost the necklace/made out with Simon
I was so scared like I knew the prince would ask for it and she'd be like oh shit and then he'd be like well idc find me my damn necklace 😂
I thought Simon would follow her with the necklace or the tall girl who was spying on her from the balcony would use it as evidence against her, but naaahh...she just left it there
As a native Swahili speaker, the word for boobs is "matiti", so you weren't too far off in what you said 😂😂😂 Also, not like I was ever going to read the book but now that I know that's how Africa is portrayed I am absolutely not reading it 😂
One thing I was really disappointed about in regards to the show is that Simon apologizes for his actions but Daphne never apologizes specifically for hers. There was no balance in taking responsibility. And my god, in the book that moment was so much worse than in the show. I'm somewhat glad they changed that, but it still doesn't sit well with me either way. I actually stopped watching the show for a while after that scene, I just couldn't reconcile that moment with Daphne's character (at least in the show, I haven't read the books), it was so out of character and out of nowhere to me.
if jack's channel proves anything, it's once english student studytubers graduate, they become booktubers
Totally! 😂
"Any person, at any time, can withdraw consent." OMG thnaks for saying it, someone finally said it. This is exactly what needs to be shouted from the rooftops!
@4Freedom4All I will admit my faults and say that I failed to bring my point across and but trying to talk with you and yours points that don't have anything to do with the original topic, I misdirect myself of what I wanted to talk about and end up saying things I don't 100% agree with. So to stop that, here's my point. The rape scenes (all of then) were bad, not because it was rape, but because the way it's was portrait in a good light or romantic and when they weren't they were used just a vehicle to add drama and spice to the history, making this history way more unlikable that it's already was. I agree with a lot of things I said here and don't agree with some (the slavery example was bad yikes) and will still say, that denying someone of something is not rape and that everytime I said something you brought something that didn't make sense with anything I said, like "Simon raped her first you don't think that's rape????" And one last thing, sorry for being rude in some of my previous comments. I will stop commenting now
@4Freedom4All THANK YOU!!!! Everyone is applying today's rationale to 1813 when women were totally owned by their husbands and by law could never be raped by their husbands because it was his right to have her consent or not. And imo diminishing "rape" by applying to this situation which is simply a wife in her anger exacting revenge on her husband for deceiving her. Which happens in relationships. Simon got bested by his wife is all. He lost the upper hand. He didn't get raped.
I'm so confused - how did her books get published when she couldn't even stay consistent with Regency Era vocabulary??
i guess the editors just decided to publish because it was a guaranteed money grabber.
"I can't root for a character named Hyacinth." *Apollo has entered the chat*
Your lesson on free indirect discourse made my graduate heart soar, I feel understood (also this video is just 10/10 absolutely love) (also the speed at which you read???? Hello!!!! I’d like tips)
Noelle is my queen👸👑
I’m loving this booktuber crossover
Two of my greatest KZhead idols in one place! OMG! 🥺
does it make me feel some type of way that my fav youtuber watches my other fav youtuber? yes. yes it does.
Wait- I was just gonna recommend that video from you on tips on how to read so fast. Then I realised the person who wrote this comment IS Noelle haha
If anyone's looking for an insight into the issues presented surrounding race and "diversity" in Bridgerton I highly recommend the YT video 'Race-baiting, queer-baiting, colorism, featurism, and performative diversity' by Khadija Mbowe as she makes valid and very necessary points!
oooh can't wait to watch!
i recently just watched that and thought of it when i saw this video
I haven't watched the video mentioned here, but the costuming YT community had a panel of racially diverse women speak on the "diversity" in the series. It's on Costuming Drama's channel.
YES. So informative and true.
Definitely! It's very eye-opening
I started reading that book as a recommendation and I literally couldn't even get to the second part. It is probably the worst book I've ever read (or tried to read) beacuse first I thought the author was trying to imitate Jane Austen later on I realized that we couldn't even compare them beacuse this book is so fucking stupid, I mean I get why people who like the "era" in which is inspired read it but seriously is not a good book. I wanted to re read it when the Netflix series came but you remembered why I hated this book so much so thank you.
Reading a book you find problematic but continuing so you can understand and critique is such a great aspect of this channel
When she left that necklace on the bridge I just kept thinking, When is she going to give that back to the prince?!?! And when she finally broke it off with the prince I was shocked he didn’t ask for it back 😂
the prince deserved better
#JusticeForThePrince
"I've read more than the first page, so I have some updates." *If that was not me during high school English!*
"i would have two nickels, which isnt a lot, but its weird that it happened twice" IS THAT A DOOFENSHMIRTZ REFERENCE AFJDHDJH PLS
AAAGGGGHHHHH! When you recommended the Song of Achilles, my Patrochilles heart screamed!!!!! I recently read it and loved it so much!!!!!
Same here ;v;
The thing that bothered me about the (Netflix) series is that beyond the s.a. scene, the "resolution" was rushed and it never fully explored the trauma that may have been experienced by Simon afterward. They instead made it seem as if Daphne was in the right all along, and they had Simon instantly ditch something he has been holding onto for years in order to fulfill Daphne's desires. Yes, it is set in a period where not much awareness surrounded these issues and society had different values. However, even without education surrounding these topics, I'm sure trauma still affected those who had been violated in that way (probably just without the means to describe it). For Simon to have been violated by someone he trusts and who agreed to marry him knowing that no children would result from that arrangement, on top of his pre-existing trauma which made him vow to never have children in the first place: upon being coerced into reproduction, I can't understand how exactly his character is able to almost instantly move past the betrayal and put everything behind him in order to commit to this relationship. Even in a society which may have felt that Simon wronged her more than she did him, how does he not at least feel some type of way about it? How am I supposed to believe their relationship isn't set up for complete failure? I can appreciate the show as a period piece in which society has problematic values to begin with, but they could have portrayed that without essentially ignoring some of the fundamental issues and realistic repercussions that would have made the story more compelling as a whole (especially since it is geared to a modern audience).
That’s so true and it isn’t just about regency set books/ movies. I remember watching “Just Friends” with Ryan Reynolds and there’s this female blonde character who he works with as a music producer who is CONSTANTLY forcing herself upon him, I think at one point she forcibly removed his trousers off him. And the movie sets it up like it’s funny and she’s just psycho, when she is literally harassing him all the time. And that was a 2009 movie. I am SO SICK of Hollywood depicting male s.a. like it’s something minor or unimportant, I just wanna 🤜
Exactly !! I was so disappointed also with the way that they completely glossed over the sexual assault issue and just had Simon forget about his pre-existing want of not having children. I didn’t find Simon or daphne to be very likeable tbh which is difficult when they’re the main couple of the show (by the end of the season, I disliked most of the characters tbf)
Because of the other bits in the show, and because of the sexual aspects of it, I’ve seen nobody on tv discuss this when they’ve talked about it. An example being Loose Women, they had an opportunity to acknowledge that but decided to focus on how sexy it was and how “sexy” the actors were and I was immensely disappointed. Not enough people, only really a handful of authors and non-famous Twitter users, have outwardly called out this scene and it’s lack of repercussions and it’s important that they do.
Yess I haven’t seen enough of this in discussions on line! That’s completely what I thought- after they were married I felt Daphne’s character became very 2D and really disliked her- the whole resolution sucked because there basically wasn’t one apart from the fact she got pregnant?! The whole children storyline really annoyed me
that's because the writers don't see anything wrong with that scene, which is worse
“her back cracked like a glowstick by the Duke...” 💀💀
Caucasity? Literally my new favourite term haha SHADE
First of all: YES to everything you said. Now, I need to discuss this: am I the only one that feels like the show's Eloise is like a cartoon of a feminist? It felt so not organic, idk. And don't get me wrong, I love my feminist characters but this just didn't feel authentic.
Yeah it felt like they were throwing the fact that she was a feminist at our face constantly like "LOOK ELOISE IS A FEMINIST!!! SEE HOW SOCIALLY PROGRESSIVE WE ARE!!" Like it felt a little performative
You are not the only one. I find Eloïse SOOOO annoying!!! Her attitude is insufferable: she is arrogant and impatient, she thinks she is smarter than everyone else and always makes everything about herself and/or women's rights, she doesn't listen to anyone, dismisses other people's feelings and opinions if they don't align with her viewpoint, etc. She has very few redeeming features/moments and they are not enough for me. I hope this is a conscious choice from the writers because of her youth and that she will grow out of her attitude. She seriously needs to grow up. Then maybe she can actually be the intelligent activist woman she wants to be.
The intro was not lying when it said "we have something that's gonna make you sick" with this one was it
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Jack should turn this into a series. Reading the Bridgerton series.
I want this so much and hate it so much at the same time. xD
I want him to do that but at the same time, I don’t want his sanity to deplete completely!
😭I think we’d kill Jack if he had to read all 8!!
'This man is a Rake' Me: Oh, so he's a horrific vaguely humanoid cryptid who lives in the woods and enjoys eating peopl- oh
“The caucacity! Honestly I’m embarrassed” had me chuckling more than I expected! Got a like and subscribe from me!!
Jack is slowly moving away from my fav studytubers list and is progressing to my fav booktubers list. I’m growing as a person and this channel is somehow keeping up with my life.
wahoooo for character development!!!
“Free indirect discourse” triggered my fight or flight from my A-Level eng lit last year
LOOOOOOL
I showed this video to my friends and it’s something we quote from daily 😂 Personal faves “You did this for what daphne you did this for what?!” “Just so she could go and get her back cracked like a glowstick by the duke” Eyes on the prize” “Hakuna matittas” “So hammered bob the builders toolkit was jealous”
Hi!! I'm so thank that you talked about the assault. I kinda feel sad and annoyed at myself because as I watched the series I don't even noticed that it was already an assault. So it was an eye opener for me to not be an ignorant in this kind of scenario.
“the great british rake off” PLEASE 🗣🗣🗣
“shes a bit of a wet wipe” i SCREAMED
hey jack, I watched this video a couple months ago and I remembered this literary technique and mentioned it in literature class! my teacher was super impressed. thank youu
The thing is though, the woman who plays Penelope isn’t even ugly! I spent the entire show with a minor crush on her cause she was just 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Please do The Queen’s Gambit!! Found this so interesting!
maybe i could do a video reading the original books of a range of netflix shows???? hmmmm much to think about
Yes would love this !
@@jack_edwards oh my god yes please!!!! Loved the show and I'm wondering if I should read the book too.
@@jack_edwards yes
@@jack_edwards yesss
great british rake off. now that's clever writing Jack!
this video was so good + i incredibly appreciated your commentary on the heavier topics. you don't disappoint!
Holy cow someone finally, I watched the entire show for the sake of it. It was fun and all for like the first what 4 episodes? Anyways, I continued watching it even when by the fifth episode it started to get idk eh and hell do I regret it. The unnecessary sex scenes, the sexism, and r*pe scene because that's what it was just did not do it for me and the fact that the show and the book got away with that has blown me away.
No one: Aboslutely nobod: Jack: HacKuNaMATittaS
That part nearly killed me 😂😂
I speak Swahili and I just commented that the word for boobs is "matiti"... so he's wasn't too far off 😂😂😂
Jack is the CEO of puns
i feel like making a compilation of ✨jack puns✨
@@katieee6898 omg do it! Also idk if you know but there’s a bunch of us over on Reddit at r/JackEdwards, you could also post it there if you decide to make it! :)
Totally agree!
Watching your videos is the only good thing in my life right now. I'm a 16-year-old girl with no boyfriend, no social life, and terrible parents that are currently getting another divorce. Thank you for cheering me up when my entire life is falling apart. And please keep making these videos. You are seriously funny😂 But also spot on with the reviews.
I’m 19 and have no boyfriend or social life, so I get you (and my parents divorced when I was 3)
i'm really loving these in depth video essays youve been making recently and your more researched style videos esp when its looking at pop culture stuff (like the harry styles poetry and fave books vids)
"Pride and Prejudice meets Gossip Girl" sir i-
Really bad daddy issues and no therapist!!! King of the pull out game!!! Lmaoo
nah jack needs his own comedy show because some of the commentary throughout this video has me absolutely wheezing 💀
What really irked me (other than the sexism, racism, everything) was how in the later books like Anthony and Colin were like "eww this woman whos gonna become our wife later is ugly and weird, let's be mean and randomly kiss them in a drawing-room because they're cute in a rat way." And everything with Anthony in the books SCREAMS abusive and is praised in a weird way for not hitting his wife even though he expresses a lot that he wants to.
THANK YOU! I couldn't stand how Anthony's toxic behavior was somewhat praised in his book. I just couldn't get why Quinn wrote her some of her male characters to be so insufferable.
I skipped the first book because I watched the show and went straight to the second book. Considering how lovely the story of the second book was, I am very surprised to hear that the first book was like this. Am glad I skipped it, but I feel like people seeing this are now going to miss out on the amazing second story about Anthony and Kate. Kate is also one of those female characters that has been written so beautifully well, she is strong, independent but also human with such believable insecurities and flaws.
But Anthony doesn't accept a no from Kate (conserning consent to sex) either.
I've heard several people say to skip the first book in the series since it's the worst one of the 8.
@@lilsriegerson6364 Yeah, that part in his story turned me off from it for a while. It was hard to read how he just denied Kate's request like that.
@@lilsriegerson6364 omg wtf? Is the author obsessed with r@pe??!
The second book also has consent issues.
"Cannot root for a character called Hyacinth" like no kidding Keeping Up Appearances ruined the name for me too lol.
Yooooi used to love that show when I was younger
Mind the sheep!
first video - I am obsessed with u. reading/lit channels are ELITE.
unrelated to the video (which was really good!) but i think this is the first time i've seen subtitles on your video!!! we stan accessibility!
"The Great British rake off" why is that so hilarious 🤣
‘Simon has really bad daddy issues’ Jack you are a national treasure.
“I cannot root for a character called Hyacinth” 😭😭😭😂😂
Where have you been all my life? Oh my God, I'm totally going to binge your whole YT channel.
It’s 1 am and when he said ‘More the duke and I or I want to puke and die’ I laughed way more than I should have
After watching the series I was hyped and I wanted to read the book because I needed more from them. So I actually enjoyed the book in the beginning because it meant I could spend more time with the characters I loved on the show. BUT the more I read I was shocked how sexist and racist it was. In my opinion the series did a better job and now I just hope that the show runners will incorporate the criticism in the next season because I think that there is a lot of potential especially thinking about Penelope and Eloise.
YES!!! wlw Eloise RIGHTS
The following books are really good! I loved Kate and Anthony’s story as well as Phillip and Eloise
You know, I think the sexism matter is not that deep. Things were like that at the time, and as you dive further into the series there are discussions on how hard it was on women. But it’s a historical romance so I honestly think that the characters being sexist is just the way it was, you know? Although I definitely think the theme should be discussed more often throughout the books.
@@ellevasc yes you have to remember these were times where women were a lesser sex, and they believed women could not ride trains without their uterus falling out 😂 are we surprised they’re sexist?
@@kayleighoneill1555 I’m not entirely sure I get your point, but I was just saying that although it’s valid to dislike it when historical books have sexist characters, I also think it’s ok for those books to have those sort of characters - because that is what it was like, you know? And because some ppl - like myself - enjoy the historical aspect of it as well. (However, I think if a historical novelist chooses to stick to what things were like back then, they need to show that it’s problematic and encourage discussions on the topics)
Angrily: “If they don’t want to drink the tea, you let them stop drinking the tea, *Daphne* .” *points at book with judgement.
Also, throughout the later books, Quinn always says that Simon and Daphne love one another. Which might be true. But because of *that* scene, it just seems like she hopes people don't remember that it happened and take her word. Lots of rug sweeping on how terrible they both were.
Thank you so so much for addressing the r*pe scene in this, I hope that more people stop raving about this honestly flimsy plot and start ranting about the lack of consent in this series and book
Thank you so much for putting a trigger warning in! "Simon has a lot of daddy issues and no therapist" is the best line
Every point you made was everything I thought about while reading this book. So so disappointing. The video is awesome tho, 10/10, had great laughs and felt understood
You indeed have a knack to give something a lighter mood 💕💕💕💕 btw i love your wit 🥰
"Simon has really bad daddy issues and... (dramatic zoom) no therapist"
i literally ran to read the books after watching the series. i just finished the third one. julia quinn recently did an interview where she talked about how when "that scene" was mentioned in the book in 2001, there wasn't talk about it, it was very much a "you go girl" moment for daphne but now post #metoo movement, and more discussion about consent it's something that is being talked about. i do think that there was a missed opportunity for dialogue about consent that we didn't get. but anyways, this was such a lovely video!
The fact that she and others at the time felt (perhaps even now) that it's empowering to see a woman... rape a man... is so disgusting that I want to vomit. An author unable to discuss basic issues like consent and lay out repercussions for such an act... shouldn't really be writing anything.
THIS IS SUCH A HILARIOUS REVIEW!! I agree most of the plots were very frustrating and expected yet it was oddly entertaining.
first video of yours i'm watching and i need to say that i'm in love with how well you speak-slash-communicate!