Tekken 8 - DEFINITIVE Controller & Input Guide (ALL TECHNIQUES)
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0:00 - Intro
0:30 - The Controller Lineup
4:00 - Korean Backdashing
10:05 - iWR - Instant While Running
14:01 - EWGF - Electric Wind God Fist
20:17 - Wavedashing
25:21 - Instant While Standing (Wavedash)
29:19 - Snake Dash
34:34 - Instant While Standing (QCF)
39:05 - Character-Specific Techniques
53:12 - Summary
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Its always nice to have a breakdown of prices you might find when looking to jump into a new hobby so you can decide how to set yours. Might add to this later. I don’t know a lot of brands/manufacturers out there yet. *IN USD* Controllers: PS5 DS - $70 PS5 DS EDGE Controller - $200 XBOX Controller - $60 LEVERED: Quanba Obsidian 2 - $300 Quanba Titan - $225 Hori Alpha - $200 LEVERLESS: Haute42 T16 -$100 Razer kitsune - $300 LEVERS: IST Alpha 49S - $44.95 IST Alpha N - $69.95 IST Knee Lever - $69.95
I’m starting out with the T16, never thought leverless controllers would be so accessible! Love it so far but I am looking to upgrade to something a bit bigger in the future.
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It's up there with MMSWE
K levers are sold out everywhere right now.
@@Xzqwerty2324zXI don’t see myself upgrading at all in the near future. Not until I reach Tekken God where I want different buttons and stuff lol.
Leverless/Hitbox is a game changer for me. I was born with a disabled left hand, extremely stiff and slow fingers. With leverless, I can help using my right fingers to push direction buttons on P1. Im 40yrs old now, i never thought ill be coming back to play Tekken again after playing TT1 and T3 on arcades decades ago.
Dude that is so fucking sick to hear. I'm honestly so hype for you reading that haha
hmh u can use the lever on the right side aswell i guess.
Consider using a reversed, right-handed leverless controller? I used to use the arrows with my right hand back when I used a keyboard years ago. c:
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i thought hitboxes were lame up until your comment, glad you're able to enjoy fighting games again man
Phidx is hands down the best T8 content creator right now
Hard agree, he helped me so much
I agree he’s really break it down in an understandable way or new and casuals returning trying to get a better grasp of the game
FACTS.
You're hands down the best bot in these comments RN.
Literally the best 🎉
Just wanted to call out the quality of the commentary/vocal delivery here. Very fluent, clear, and organized. Not easy to do live, I'd probably do worse despite having years of experience in a similar area
Thank you 😭 doing it live is easier on my mental than lots of editing in post, but has so many challenges
@PhiDX My own projects kept dying in post-production till I started doing them live, so feel ya
“My Korean lever extra thick” Hope that doesn’t stay in my head all week
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"I use my mouth, not my hands.... TO EXPLAIN THE GAME" 😂
Hahahaha damnit was on my way to comment this
Can't believe you explained and demonstrated all of this live! Awesome stuff! Also, besides learning Tekken, I kind of like the vibe of this community. It's chill and very nice to be in, making the learning journey fun. I have been playing Tekken as a casual for years now, and Tekken 8 is something I realy want to get good at. Keep pumping out content and thanks!
I'm definitely a controller nerd and I love watching videos about different peripherals and this is one of the best I've seen just in idea alone. Instead of vaguely talking about how good or bad different peripherals could be, you go in, test, and then show how well the peripherals do with each specific technique. Awesome work man.
Anyone else just super happy to see this channel doing so well and growing so fast. Genuinely the best tekken educational videos made. Full stop. I send every new player this way because the quality is insanely high. Good job man the full time is paying off hard :)
The EWGF tip at 16:10 about imagining hitting d + 2 at the same time opposed to df+2 is a game changer. When I focused on that I started hitting electrics with way more consistency. Appreciate the high quality learning content you've been putting out. Good shit!
The reason why Instant While Running is easier when input as fnff compared to ffnf is because the game recognizes iWR as "input finished within ~6 frames after starting a dash". So if you start your dash later (fnff), there'll be less time between the dash and the button compared to if you start your dash earlier (ffnf).
I think a double tap is also just easier than a triple tap. After 2 it’s difficult to keep proper count and you can feel kind of out of control imo
Been playing fighting games for over 20 yrs. Never got into tekken till the end of T7. Learning Tekken(8) has been the most fun I’ve had learning a new fighting game and it’s thanks to this channel. You’ve earned yourself a fan for life!
It is funny that soon as a question forms in my head regarding to the game 2 days pass by and you release a video answering that exact question more or less. Thanks for your work! Keepnit up, you are awesome.
for anyone playing on keyboard/leverless. Some cheats that aren't mentioned here. p1 side electric: you can use your right hand to press 2 and forward and the same time, so it's essentially free with very little practice. p2 side wave dash: Hold left with your left ring finger. then tap right with your right index, then roll right, down with your left index and middle for SOCD wave dash.
I just had an existential crisis about controllers yesterday, I realised I could do inputs and combos on keyboard within 10 minutes what took me a week to do on fight stick. Good timing on this video.
While keyboard is way easier to learn you have to keep in mind that skill learned from one controller does translate to another. Ofc not fully but being aware of the inputs etc makes it easy.
Mechanicaal keyboards are criminally underrated in Tekken. Just because the game was famous as a PS game so a lot of my friends just recommend gamepads
i thought so too when i had no clue, but later i noticed that just easy stuff like triple or double forward is more easy on keyboard.
the 2p KBD for the pad is probably one of the best things I have ever learned from any guide in Tekken, You're the man PhiDX love it.
I go through cycles where I get magical thinking about a new controller, and how it will change the way I play. Just ordered a Haute42 and want to go leverless, but this video made it clear that the transition will be just like when I went from PS2 controllers to my first Hori back in the day. Thanks for the candid presentation! Stuck around for the whole thing lol.
This video was a tier list, review and technique guide rolled into one and I wasn’t expecting that.
PhiDX man, you went from being a content creator I had no idea about to my legitimate number 1 creator to watch. Props dude, your content is fire 🔥
Props on these bot comments too.
Thanks, man, your analyses are the best. Everything sorted and observed from all directions.
Bless you for making things because it feels like no one ever make comprehensive controller and technique guides. Can't wait for the EWGF video
Great vid! As someone who uses a ps controller for every fighting game, something that's always worked for me to make inputs easier is swapping between the d-pad and analog stick for certain motions. I say ps controller specifically because of the positioning of the stick and d-pad. I find it harder to move my thumb up for the xbox controller analog then to move my thumb down for the ps analog for qcf and qcb motions among some other things. A good example is specifically for doing EWGF (exclusively on P1 side, P2 side is d-pad only), I press forward on the d-pad then move my thumb down to do the d,df motion on the analog stick so i can more accurately think about pressing 2 when i press down. It also helps with stuff like: Wave dash - qcf on analog, f on d-pad Snake dash - qcf on analog, up on d-pad Hayashida step - qcb on analog, up on d-pad etc... I know transitioning between analog stick and d-pad can be a little weird for some people but it's helped me a TON specifically with Tekken. That all being said, that leverless is looking mighty enticing as a Lili player
I absolutely loved this video. You thanked us for watching but no, thank you for taking the time to create this content and explain everything in depth. Perfect. I know the Korean Lever is your fave, but this video has inspired me to go ahead and order a Razor Kitsune. Currently at Fujin rank and think that this will help take my tekken gaming to the next level!!
Had to sub man, this is like the third excellent guide I’ve seen from you
Watching the streams feels like being in the backstage and seeing the production of each episode. The funniest thing was how the tumbnail was made xd
@PhiDX, you don't even know how much I appreciate these videos. Your videos helped me figure out how to be better at mind games and execution.
Hearing you mention that getting diagonals on a korean lever can be a little tough was exactly what I needed to hear right now. I recently switched out my JLF for a korean lever in my custom stick, and while I absolutely love how everything else feels, I have definitely been stuggling with diagonal inputs and feeling reeeal scrubby for it. Thanks for the self-esteem boost, coach!
cant believe u just got 50k subs so fast, last time it was like only 20k, keep up bro !!!
A little note, the korean lever grommet feels more intuitive to kbd on not just because of the extra tension, but because the natural way that the rubber goes back to will more naturally release down first and then back. The tension of the grommet is non-linear and vs the spring tension which is linear.
This Video came at the perfect time, I was having a hard time deciding which console/controller I wanted use to start Tekken, This video answered all my questions thanks man
This is the best video I've seen for breaking down the tradeoffs of different controller types.
This is a great video. I am a Tekken casual and I didn't even realize she of these techniques were a thing. I javw various types of controllers/sticks and I struggle with making the decision on what i should be using. Very informative video. Thanks.
Stick has become my favorite because it's got such a difficult learning curve. It makes me focus more on fundamentals than execution, while also feeling really rewarding when i do nail the execution.
Your vids have really been helping, I can hit ewgf 9/10 times now on controller. Hope you reach 100k+ subs soon
For KBD, iWR, Electrics and Wavedash on 1P side, nothing beats leverless with the "2nd position". Using the right index finger to press "right", instead of with just the left hand. This splits up the required dexterity between both your hands/fingers. The bad news is this doesn't apply to 2P side, unless you have an extra "left" button bound on the right side, ala Cross Up. Thanks for the video, very interesting to compare input methods.
If you are going with leverless for KBD a slightly different method I learned recently that makes me much faster is plinking. Plinking is where you quickly roll your fingers to get inputs on separate frames On P1: hold back > plink from forward to down with left hand > tap right with right hand (This Wavedashes on P2 side) / ALT: while holding left > tap down with left hand > double tap right with right hand On P2: plink from down to right with left hand > tap right with right hand (This also Wavedashes on P1 side) Also for iWR on leverless if you SOCD plink dash (press and hold forward and quickly tap back) and just plink back right after like a fast double tap basically you’ll get the while running. I hope that made sense cause I’ve never attempted to explain this in writing before.
for controllers, i've heard of some players use the stick for certain inputs that a dpad might make slightly more difficult. also a major thing kb has is access to the arrow keys as a second set of inputs (not sure if that's tournament legal) but it makes wavedashing easier cause i can tap f with my right thumb. same with kbd, i can hold b tap f with my thumb, and then tap d with my left middle finger. plus there's the additional buttons that's easy to map. i find transitioning from kb to a leverless is hard because i use q, and e for shortcuts which pretty much every controller option other than kb doesn't have. i also really like the smaller keys, imo it's less travel time from key to key and i feel like i have to stretch my hand to fit the buttons.
I dont know why youtube recommended this video to me, but i'm glad it did. I found this sneak peak into fighting games controls fascinating.
Great video! I'd like to add one of the pros of arcade sticks and leverless - their bigger action buttons make just frame tilda inputs like Reina's [2~1] easier, IMO. You just swipe across the button faces and with some practice it gets very consistent.
I dont have electrics 100% down yet. But those years of practicing DP motions in Streetfighter titles and pressing the punch button on the DF direction instead of forward just for precision. REEEEEAAAALY helped I saw that and my brain said "oh.. do quick Shouryu" and an electric came out.
Wow! Pressing down and 2 made electrics make it make a little more sense to me! Tysm 😭
On leverless, if you "uninvert" the up and down buttons, meaning if you map D-Pad down to the button that you can hit with either thumb, the SOCD backdash becomes extremely simple on both sides, because you can do the backdash cancel by tapping the D-Pad down button with your right thumb. Same idea on keyboard, map D-Pad down to the space bar, so you can hit it with either thumb.
16:21 - OMG! This adviced helped me SO DAMN much getting the electrics more consistently on pad now... I used to do a weird ass grip where I pull the left stick together with my thumb when I press triangle to get electircs basically 100% of the time. But thats not mobile enough and only helps against non moving opponents. With this trick I can get better with pad until I get me a Hitbox.
Great video, thanks for putting in the effort
I have my first tekken tourney in july, i have never played tekken before, and i signed up before i ever even bought the game (tragic case of i must win every tournament i get my hands on syndrome). I know that this was supposed to be a guide on what is the best input method, but i learned so much from this its insane. I use thumbstick but now im gonna dedicate and use the D-pad until i eventually get a stick or hitbox (grew up with a family arcade we built, kb&m player currently, so prolly a hitbox but idk)
There are many videos like that, but looking at the common techniques is pretty interesting
This was SO detailed. Thank you so much for the effort PhiDX! I am new to Tekken and purchase an arcade stick about a month ago. The only issue is that my desk is far too high to play comfortably with my wrists and I've learned muscle memory through a ton of hours over the last month with it. Lap is hella uncomfortable for me. I'm sad that I have to switch to pad, but I'm sure it will be a much easier experience for me. Stick is quite unforgiving.
I think the “think down +2” for electric works because most peoples hand or thumb drifts after hitting any input . So a lot of times you will naturally drift from down to down forward, especially if in your brain you headed to down forward anyways because of the crouch dash. So something about the timing between your brain thinking and your hands responding, by the time it all registers you end up pressing 2 at the same time as the down forward even tho in your head you though down +2.
for iWR on leverless, you can alternate your index middle and ring finger on the forward button to more easily "shortcut" triple tap
We truly appreciate the effort
me and a friend just purchased tekken 8 like a few days ago and wow i'm glad i stumbled upon this video. good stuff
Never would have guessed you were tired af when you made this lmao, thanks for what you're doing for the community homie
I watched him make this live AYYYY Fantastic video, Phi always pushes to have his content be the highest quality. Comparing each controller each technique was genius.
This review was great and validated my decision to get a leverless controller. I also got the Kitsune and i love how lightweight it is.
Phidx has quickly become one of my favorite content creators keep it up bro 💪🏽
You earned this sub Phi. Reality high quality content you’ve been putting out 🙏
Great video! I've been on leverless for a while and picked up a kitsune recently since locals are ps5. I think it's a pretty great option. Interesting that the only real 'con' of leverless is predictability, or lack of seamless/fluid motions. I feel like that could be worked around pretty easily, but I also don't see the game at the level you're talking about. Lol
Great video!! I was actually in the market for a new controller for tekken
Another solid video. Thanks Phi!
Great video covering all the peripherals. Not that I use it myself, but I think there is something oddly enticing about using the Xbox Series controller for Tekken. The fact that you can't depress the middle actually makes your overall inputs a lot cleaner, and it's so tactile that there's no mistaking what you're doing. I would extract the d-pad and put it in every controller I own if I could. For me it's probably the best d-pad in recent memory, and 2nd best of all time, only behind the GBA SP.
Bro wth. I know you got to be working hard cuz your content since T8 dropped is crazy 🔥. And best of all you’re putting out what the people WANT
I think you convinced me to finally try korean lever and leverless - Mishima main on Japanese sticks for more years than I would like to admit🤐
When you turned the Razer Kitsune box to show it's already opened, I for some reason had a surprised pikachu face lol!
Thank you so much!! My goat frfr
The video that everyone needed but didn't know !
Bro wtf I literally was just on the fence of grabbing a leverless for the first time earlier this morning and you drop this banger
I wired my thumb on my leverless to be down. It really helps with fatigue when it comes to finger fatigue with KBD on both sides using sodc. Honestly it reduces finger fatigue in general since you very rarely will go from middle->ring->middle->ring which is where most of the pain problems come from. Had to swap from stick since my wrist couldn't take it anymore and leverless turned out to be just as bad for me pain wise until I swapped these inputs.
new tekken player here love your content man, you are a godsend to new players! still figuring out if will stick with the hori dpad or the japanese lever, the korean lever is tempting but want to give my japanese lever more time before jumping to the korean lever.
Instant while standing i accidentally did in a match - practiced it and now i know how to do it ever since 👏
I love leverless for KBD specifically because of a weird thing I can do with full-neutral SOCD cleaning - instead of doing the cancel by using crouch and the opposing direction, for some reason it also works with up, so using my left hand for the left-right SOCD and my right thumb for up, I was able to go from not being able to KBD to being a pretty fast backdasher in maybe 10 minutes of practice. Also on leverless IWR is even easier than Phi showed - you can take 3 fingers and piano them one after the other on a single direction, holding down the last finger, to get a SUPER fast IWR.
Thank you for explaining stuff to new players
One tip for the Instant While Standing inputs with QCF input (at least for Pad as that's the only controller I'm using) is to do the full QCF input, but be sure to go back to neutral before inputting your attack, since the specific crouch dash attack only gets triggered when you hit D, DF, F+Button -> hitting D, DF, F, N+Button will give you a while standing move. That way you still get an instant while standing move while having much more leniency with your directional inputs, since you don't have to be so careful not to hit the forward input. (I'm not sure if this works for every character but it works for Nina and I'm just gonna assume it works for others, feel free to correct me though) EDIT: Turns out this only really works for Nina. Other specific moves like Bryan's WS3 works, but seemingly only because his QCF3 is the same move.
I would not have hit the ground running in this game like I did if it weren’t for your videos. Thanks for helping me catch up with my FGC!
I love how Phidx is always helping players no matter what the Tekken game is.
PhiDX is turning into Tekken 8's "The Big Fundamental" content creator a la Tim Duncan - keep up the great work.
for keyboard users ive been following the advice from another video I saw recommending QASD, with Q being up and A being down to use the same fingers for every motion. for leverless users i recommend getting a Wooting analog keyboard, as it has the lowest input delay, lowest actuation point and rapid trigger functionality. rapid trigger deactivates the key as soon as you remove pressure from the key, doing away with the key travel problem keyboards have had as opposed to leverless buttons. ive used hitbox from tekken tag 2 and have since switched to a keyboard that I can input TJUs on. also you can configure it to output as a DirectX gamepad so you can use it on any console.
the Haute42 T16 uses keyboard switches, but on a typical hitbox form factor.
@@KimmyR3 hall effect/ analog switches cannot function on normal boards
What the I didn't realize I had been watching this video for an hour until you mentioned it towards the end. I thought the video was 17 mins max
Thanks, this was a really cool video!
Great content as usual! The one thing I miss from pad is hybrid step. But hitbox movement overall is just more accurate an faster.
This is good content man keep it up 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
PhiDX is perfect for youtube and tekken. mate... you are the chosen one.
I'm using that specific leverless and I'm a Bryan main. Maybe I missed it, but I use the right thumb to control the UP button. And for iwr a press f with different index. I do the 1st with left index 2nd with right and then left index again + the command button I need with right hand. It took a while to me to make it natural but now is really satisfying 😂
Just a note for keyboard players/leverless players with extra buttons and customizable button mappings. I would consider binding left to a button that's easily reachable with your right hand (perhaps with your right thumb). I think it really helps with P2 execution of most techniques and means you have to rely on your weak left ring finger a lot less. Questionable if legal (although as far as I am aware TWT doesn't have rules against duplicate binds like CPT does), but if push comes to shove you might have to unbind left from your left hand. A little less intuitive for blocking and normal movement, but would probably still pay dividends in the long run.
Couple of notes for leverless. P1 side is generally better for leverless players because you can put your right hand on the right direction button. This allows for faster KBDs and Wavedashes using your right hand for some inputs. And auto-timed electrics using your right hand to hit right + 2 at the same time.
True but it’s a bit of a crutch because you’ll be so much weaker on the other side. IMO it’s better to just learn the proper movement and timings. You’ll go to play offline and get washed
If you have a controller with more thumb buttons or just a keyboard, you can hit any direction with your right thumb, and KBDs and wavedashes are trivial on either side Or you can just swap up and down like someone else mentioned and hit that with your right thumb (though that won't help with electrics)
not true, if ur left hand fingers work nice ur not faster using ur right hand to help. That just helps if ur left hand fingers are slow and stiff.
Excellent point. I went through the comments because I assumed he wouldn't have known the tech. Most of the movement options are superior on leverless
@@MC_HANDROLLED This is because you can skyrocket in skill on P1 Leverless and there's a large learning curve on P2 that dudes tend not to practice on that side... And there's way less shortcuts.
I use the Hitbox Crossup primarily because my wrist gets really pained and strained from inputs, but I think this translates to other controllers as well: I found out there’s an alternate way to get an iwr on bryan at least, just by doing qcf~b, which is useful for his iwr2.
I am definitely going to use the tip for electrics by pressing down and 2 at the same time. Looks like this will be easier for me for practicing with Jin
A Pad tip that instantly improved my EWGF is doing the full input with my left hand only, Using L1 (2+3 Heat burst) to do EWGF instead of 2.. This worked well in Tekken 7 but in Tekken 8 they changed something so now this only works for Kazuya and Reina, not Jin and Devil Jin, you will get the command throw if you try that on them.
Check all shortcuts that have a 2, chances are a different one on left trigger gives 2 priority when it read the CD input I'm guessing you use the 2+3 which now gives priority to the 2 command throw
Good video too many new players think having a certain controllers will make them better at the game somehow. Also for wavedashing on pad, word on the street is that the Hori pads feel more natural for this. Haven't tried this myself, so not fully sure.
I am currently trying to commit to learning socd dash, socd kbd on both p1 and p2 side, its sluggish as fuck in the beginning but after a few weeks I am starting to see its potential, being able to cleanly dash front and back with a single wrist flick motion makes everything so clean and snappy, no one's gonna see any pre dash stutter from me. Not to mention side step cancels too, everything are slowly coming together. Key to this is matte surface buttons like punkworkshop and hayabusa buttons, makes the scraping button's edge much smoother compared to glossy traditional arcade sanwa buttons.
Thank you !!!
I love my kitsune, never going back to d-pads again. The satisfaction and comfort i just wasnt ready for, been using it since MK1 but in Tekken it truly shines
In older tekken games (TTT2 for example) on pad I could set the right stick to be another movement input, which made certain techniques easier
Ngl would've been sick to see comparison between T8 Jin zen cancels but this is already a crazy detailed video lmao
23:51 WTF?!? How can you do it THAT fast? I have the Kitsune and I can do it at half-speed if lucky. Also, you make the EWGF look a lot easier on the Kitsune. Coordinating your left and right hand to hit the buttons at the exact same time requires more practice than one would think. Great video showing off the most popular controllers for Tekken 8 and the hand-cam is very useful!
For the wavedash, if you're struggling to do 2 at once I suggest doing the half step. After doing a normal mishima crouch dash, do a forward. You know you're doing it properly if you see your character doing a f,f animation. This f,f is also crucial to wavedashing because a lot of the mix-ups come from this as well. Also, in order to master this, I don't suggest using Kazuya or Reina because they have a mist step. This can be used like a crutch if ever you have a misinput on your wavedash.
Phi, speaking as an instructor by trade, you have a talent that I hope you take advantage of. Charge a lot for coaching!! You’re an incredible communicator.
I was thinking the same thing! Good a prepping for these livestream classes and he's able to break down different learning styles in his clients. I'm following for more than just Tekken lol
The wrist advice on keyboard is life changing thank you
Plastic leverless controllers were painful, so I use shoeboxes now. It helps a lot actually. Btw, leverless allows slipping buttons insted of pressing/smashing wich is hella useful for kbding. And yeah with slipping tech you can socd kbd on both sides with one hand.
The keyboard is 90% like a hitbox, but there are some differences which I consider beneficial: - It doesn't lock you into doing directionals with the left hand and attacking with the right, a lot of people use arrows with their right hand to move and attack with the left. AFAIK Devilster plays like this. - WASD layout is great for people coming into fighting games with a lot of experience in other game genres, especially highly technical games like Counter Strike that also have movement techniques with strict timings. - If you feel like bending the rules a little (or a lot), you can map not only D-pad directionals, but both stick directionals as well. Mapping the right stick is pretty cool for turning the camera in customization mode, but the left stick actually gives you a second set of directional inputs, which you can do absolutely nutty things with. - If you're into mechanical keyboards - they allow for a lot of customization and self-expression, just like arcade sticks. Different switches, different keycaps, different keyboards allow you to dial in both look and function exactly like you want. - I actually play on a custom split keyboard that is split in two halves, allowing me to have my hands around shoulder width apart, contributing to good posture and reducing fatigue. I'm actually developing an open-source fighting keyboard right now! Split in two halves, fully customizable and (hopefully) very cheap to build, with support for all the cool firmwares like GP2040-CE, QMK, ZMK, KMK, etc.
A split keyboard sounds perfect! Do they make those readily available? I would buy one instantly.
Sounds awesome, would love an update if you ever sell or provide your setup.
wasd is so intuitive, I dropped my stick for a mixbox
It's important as well to note for all input methods, when doing iWS (instant while-standing) moves, there's a different way to do it that's more speed based, so it can be more or less difficult depending on which method you are doing. The "cheat" iWS method here is to do a wavedash, but instead of doing a neutral and then back+button to get the iWS, you go immediately from df to db, release the button and hit the move. What this does is cancel your wavedash into a crouch and you can do your ws move after letting go of the button as per normal. This will be easier for most people who are doing iWS moves out of a wavedash, but may not be fast enough for situations where you're e.g. using the iWS in a combo. The difference is negligible for situations where you're doing it for oki or mixups. The true iWS method (what Phi is doing here) is timing based, and comes down to being comfortable with your inputs, but you're also more likely to get the wrong input if you get the timing wrong. You have more flexibility in when the move comes out with the cheat method, but it can't get as fast.
Phi, you are the T8 content king right now 👑 All my friends that are picking up the game are watching your vids. Keep it up!