"Access to television must be extended beyond its present narrow limits." And here I am watching this one KZhead. How far we've come.
@DeadGuyOnTheBus6 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts
@shailylakhani55162 жыл бұрын
And today, we STILL aren't much better at perceiving what is right in front of us.
@SnazzyDetritus7 күн бұрын
I was trying to type in “how to sew” but I accidentally typed how to see instead so now I’m watching this XD
@X_Star_Sprinklez_X4 жыл бұрын
Ways Of Sowing
@tartarexthompson23483 жыл бұрын
Ways of Sewing. There are many ways you can, but everyone has their own.
@SalmanRavoof3 жыл бұрын
as you sew so you shall see
@ranjitroy10243 жыл бұрын
That's some kind of 'Going Ape' answer.
@ItsACityOfApesMovieReviews3 жыл бұрын
😂 😆 😝
@essejd2 жыл бұрын
The idea of reproduced images, re-purposed as language elements in a conversation seems especially relevant in the age of Memes.
@Natabus7 жыл бұрын
Your comment has made it into my actual uni notes, thank you
@cozycara5 жыл бұрын
Check out Richard Dawkins, then.
@aneasybee5 жыл бұрын
Also walter benjamin
@Gadhai15 жыл бұрын
It's pretty much how I experienced Oscar Wilde in my youth
@RoyalKnightVIII4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking when he said that
@monoculares4 жыл бұрын
This man was making memes in the 70s with that jaunty opera bit holy hell
@Pichael06215 жыл бұрын
I read your comment before watching that part but you're so right.
@Chelseajustwatches4 жыл бұрын
It's like the Renaissance version of this video: kzhead.info/sun/l9Zmn7BqjYyOdJE/bejne.html
@nathanmcgill72492 жыл бұрын
This guy's perspective was wayyyyyy further than his time, even in 2020 this holds true
@crazydog33073 жыл бұрын
Really? What was it that was so lacking to 1972 in direct comparison to 2020? Interesting interpretation and discussion is timeless I'd have thought.
@brendanbrendan94352 жыл бұрын
his last point about TV not being interactive was interesting given the rise of Twitch and YT streams (as with most democratic mediums the material becomes banal but imagine a John Berger Twitch stream)
@GwaiZai2 жыл бұрын
@@GwaiZai So all things are just a vector for human communication and interaction?
@philhunt1442 Жыл бұрын
@@philhunt1442 Hardly. But I can't speak to this as I saw this video almost a year ago!
@GwaiZai Жыл бұрын
Lol dude, people have been talking about this for a good century now. Look up critical theory.
@leoelliondeux Жыл бұрын
John Berger is a badass. More than 40 years on, this series is still timely and very relevant. Brilliant stuff.
@MorrisseyPython10 жыл бұрын
🌍
@nikkilambe548 Жыл бұрын
10 years on from your comment still the case
@thesingingaccountant18 ай бұрын
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@houseofvenusMD4 ай бұрын
He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tells us how to interpret one painting in a secular manner and brings up caravaggios disputed sexuality as a way to give credence to his view of his painting. It’s hypocritical even if he calls himself out for it
@bun1973 ай бұрын
He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tells us how to interpret one painting in a secular manner and brings up caravaggios disputed sexuality as a way to give credence to his view of his painting. It’s hypocritical even if he calls himself out for it
@bun1973 ай бұрын
I feel my IQ go up in real time everytime I watch old british documentaries
@kuhj2785 жыл бұрын
In contrast, I just watched Swan's interview with Trump, and my IQ is going down every time I watch anything from the US president. And time seems slowed down...
@anguswheaton203 жыл бұрын
An interesting admission that using precise language is more important than the material being covered.
@zisha013 жыл бұрын
Plz share some !
@hankama3 жыл бұрын
@@anguswheaton20 AHHAhahah
@analeticiaurbanin2 жыл бұрын
and i feel it go down everytime they end, a conundrum i dare say
@DeadUglyKid2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that he mentioned the ability to reply in the modern age. That's what we're doing now.
@1ceanator998 жыл бұрын
+1ceanator99 and guess what it's a disaster lmao
@ar_xiv8 жыл бұрын
He also said "be sceptical about it" very chillingly at the end.. i think i know what he meant
@mlembrant7 жыл бұрын
Do you know the facebook page "Classical Art Memes"?
@die_schlechtere_Milch7 жыл бұрын
@@mlembrant He simply means we should keep inquiring about the things that make up our surroundings, the institutions and social constructs that "happen to be there" since we were born. We must keep questioning these things. Be skeptical about it.
@flamethrower8835 жыл бұрын
i do yes.. im not using facebook anymore tho.. i think the account is still alive, but i am dead inside
@mlembrant5 жыл бұрын
Just watched a video of Sir John Berger reading Ghassan kanafani ''Letters from Gaza'' and it intrigued me into knowing more about him, and here I am completely hooked into this series as a designer of my own. What a Great man!!
@souadghaffari39042 ай бұрын
my favorite part was the school children interpreting the Caravaggio. i love Berger's attitude to art "experts." if an expert were to be there with the children instead of Berger, maybe there would have been a look of discomfort on his face as the kids got it all "wrong," in his own educated mind. maybe educated people should make people feel freer to think, not afraid to. of course, when you're doing hard history, there is always accurate and inaccurate, but is there really a right or wrong? thank you for posting this series!
@gratedrawur8 жыл бұрын
they do ... REAL educated, erudite or at least intelligent people do just that - it's only pompous idiots who might use that as some kind of 'status card' to intimidate others
@antigen45 жыл бұрын
Berger's experiment with children shows that there is, in fact, unfolding time in paintings. We can see children attaching movement to the still scene and making up narrative on the spot. The story is unfolding in front of their eyes without anyone's direction.
@viborrr4 жыл бұрын
did I ask?
@ziatollette1484 жыл бұрын
There are multiple ways of engaging with art and I believe most critiques and experts know and acknowledge that. Just because an expert has put out a studied analysis of an artwork pertaining to the established objective standards of that particular art form, should not in any way intimidate you and prevent you from forming your independent interpretation. They are all equally valid in their own context.
@qwerty97973 жыл бұрын
@@viborrr Just got chills, reading this. Magical.
@tartarexthompson23483 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy I could hear his opinion on art experts! I'm an art school student and throughout the years I've grown so tired of art. It's partly because I was expected to interpret every artwork according to my knowledge of the artist and the period in which they lived. The explanation given by the teacher always turned out to be less exciting than the one in my head, and because I'm terrible at remembering facts, dates, and even names, all of that led me to believe that the art world is boring, pompous and that somehow I'm not able to understand any artwork.
@beniek6846 Жыл бұрын
This is the reading list for any foundation course in Art or degree. If is isn’t then you’re not on a good course ..
@Curiouscatnap9 ай бұрын
I wonder what John Berger would have thought of Pinterest.
@Incendiae43 жыл бұрын
Yeah totally and zoom or skype 🤔
@essejd2 жыл бұрын
Who else is here because their teacher assigned them to watch this?
@PlayAndRage8 жыл бұрын
+PlayAndRage As a Freshman in art school (1980), the original book was required reading. I've been wanting to reread it and came upon this.
@GemTones8 жыл бұрын
+PlayAndRage read the book in the '90s, had a copy too but misplaced it since then it was an eye opener, and something I would re-read with pleasure
@EmilNicolaiePerhinschi8 жыл бұрын
+PlayAndRage Nah, here on my own accord. I wish I learnt about this in school.
@apseudonym8 жыл бұрын
+PlayAndRage To be fair here, what an awesome assignment this is.
@matheusarruda64628 жыл бұрын
+PlayAndRage we are not even assigned we are forced to watch it in class now.
@MrGenciletisimci8 жыл бұрын
RIP John Berger. There is something to be said about they way he comments on very complex and nuanced observations in a way that anyone from any background may understand and find intriguing.
@Nikolay0617 жыл бұрын
i take it he flunked you.
@marekknapinski97377 жыл бұрын
same
@marekknapinski97377 жыл бұрын
"The images may be like words but there is no dialogue yet. You cannot reply to me. FOR THAT TO BECOME POSSIBLE IN THE MODERN MEDIA OF COMMUNICATION ACCESS TO TELEVISION MUST BE EXTENDED BEYOND IT'S PRESENT NARROW LIMITS" .....well well....these lines had aged well...from 1972 to 2021, where i am watching this in my 5 inch screen smartphone lying on my bed from a different part of the world, commenting my feelings about what i felt... Surely we have come a long way :)
@gk712672 жыл бұрын
It blew my mind the way he was carving into the painting at the beginning of the episode! My heart was cracking with each ripping sound he made through the canvas hahaha
@emmaf.e.82486 жыл бұрын
Yeah they really should have turned down the audio gain. I prefer not to have my speakers crackling like that.
@YowLife3 жыл бұрын
It illustrated his later points very well though. Mystification of art and detaching parts of the painting to create new meaning. Except here it wasn't done by a camera, but directly :D
@Evija30003 жыл бұрын
@@YowLife no gain, no pain
@justjxn2 жыл бұрын
I was shocked. I did not watch the rest. Why did noone stop him ? 😭
@vrijbuiterspartei27152 ай бұрын
This is essential for the visual and art studies.
@JorgeJimenez-sl2rk8 жыл бұрын
Why, what did you learn from this?
@dimitrikorsakov25702 жыл бұрын
@@dimitrikorsakov2570 My takeaways are basically that art as reproduction and how we see it and perceive it is controlled by its contexts. We can take art out of the context of a museum or church and view it in our living room, removing the meanings of the building it is meant to be displayed in or adding meanings by putting it on a wall surrounded by other items (like the bedroom wall full of photos). Same with sound, adding and removing meanings based on context (the bit with the opera or the bit with the silly song, or even the dark reality of execution). We are also told how to perceive art by professionals who mystify and dilute artwork by telling us fancy descriptions while in reality, we are able to come to our own conclusions (like the children). If I may add as an opinion, I feel like we also shouldn't take professionals' interpretations as gospel since they are really just interpretations in the end, and I think we should all feel free to draw from art intelligently and think about it deeper than just reading a description in a book.
@Chaimelo2 жыл бұрын
fascinating: at 11:40 he talks about stillness and silence, that he can't demonstrate stillness because the lines on a CRT screen are never still. but at 11:47 when he says he can demonstrate the silence - in this youtube video you can hear what sounds like VHS hiss while the video is playing. thank you for sharing this video!
@sunrespecter98742 жыл бұрын
Watching this on KZhead is the best way to watch it
@youtubeisevil14 сағат бұрын
@28:39 Berger predicts KZhead in 1972.
@SPQRINVICTUS18 жыл бұрын
+spqr spqr cool nice comment, but it's important 2 add: recently restrictions and progressive channels being taken down/censored got worse on youtube, for example StormCloudsGathering not being able to monetize informative videos about war or h3h3productions getting flagged because they ironized commercially successful youtube channels
@yurrr-pooka8 жыл бұрын
The Response to Media
@bryanss45487 жыл бұрын
Not only that but he predicted this very comments section.
@joebob37195 жыл бұрын
not Berger, Walter Benjamin!
@barbart_5 жыл бұрын
@@barbart_ in 1936!
@iGame3D5 жыл бұрын
this is so calming
@auxgo72508 жыл бұрын
So grateful this is available to watch here! I read his book “ways of seeing” 20 years ago as an art history undergrad and it really impacted me. What a treat! Thank you!
@anekemiko2 жыл бұрын
Has it led to any adequate followup material?
@philhunt1442 Жыл бұрын
berger's last words in this episode could not ring more true in the presence of social media in our present day to day lives. everything we see on social media is edited and distorted in such a way that persuades us it is reality thus distorting our own perseptions of reality outside social media. and when we inevitably feel disconnected from the real world, we go back to social media to soothe and unconsiouslly reassure ourselves in a fake reality that's a whole lot more comfortable to live in without actually living. ALWAYS be skeptical!
@zowu283510 ай бұрын
Berger lived to experience the internet and KZhead (died at 90 in 2017). I’d love to have heard his thoughts on watching Ways of Seeing on an iPhone-how the context for the images reaching our eyes changes (or can change) so fluidly, further divorcing them from their original contexts. A mobile device allows the context to change in realtime. Attention can be scattered as the eye’s focus can move from one video to another on a whim. What would he have thought about how the medium affects viewers and changes the meaning of the original images?
@sugarfish Жыл бұрын
Yes the mind's eye no longer trained to focus people are overstimulated.
@annalisavajda2529 ай бұрын
I'm watching this for an assignment but as I continue watching it, it is actually very interesting. I guess I'll watch every episode because I am enjoying it.
@leandercreer26923 жыл бұрын
Bloody brilliant stuff. Even though my teacher sent me here, I am damn glad she did.
@xmlthegreat4 жыл бұрын
RIP John. 90 is a good age!
@expertvillageidiot7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Contrapoints, for taking me here!
@sudarsanbalakrishnan52835 жыл бұрын
Lol 😂 Contra is a sell out
@catenaccio_fc3 жыл бұрын
Words cannot express my appreciation of John Berger's work, a romantic poet born to late for the romantics and a human being born too early for everybody else - we are all lens grinders thanks to him
@willbrown62876 жыл бұрын
I love this form of video where there is no unnecessary background music and other video effects distractions. Just pure information.
@plottwistaftercredits31442 жыл бұрын
Eye-opening! Perspective changing! A must watch / read for all art learners!!!!
@paulayy51402 ай бұрын
This was an incredible programme. There should be more lateral thinkers like Mr. Berger making art accessible to everyone.
@SchoolofYule10 жыл бұрын
Damn - just when I got to see his works. Rest in peace, John Berger. You have done an amazing work. Shame to see you go.
@Xspy707 жыл бұрын
The credits are literally just six blokes. So, seven blokes total to put together one episode that packs more information, meaning and nuance into 30 mins than current day CHANNELS are able to in a whole year's worth of programming. Not to sound like an old grump, but it really does put the current media bloat into stark perspective.
@KYPJH9 ай бұрын
I'm only here because we had to watch this for a school work and wow this is so good and soothing to watch and listen to
@yuju11954 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, watching this as part of my master's degree at the moment and wondering what he would have thought about how this is now on KZhead, available for anyone in the world to watch at any time. The way art is presented has arguably changed even more dramatically over the past 50 years.
@AliTheAllStar6 ай бұрын
Hey, glad to hear that it's your thesis topic, i am also working on this article for my master's presentation on 30th of oct. Would be great to get in touch with you.
@mairashaikh33906 ай бұрын
@@mairashaikh3390 Sure, it's not for my dissertation though, it was just part of the weekly required 'reading'.
@AliTheAllStar6 ай бұрын
This documentary continues to inspire us now - when visual images in the form of film, TV drama, pictures on social media, particularly memes are influencing how we see the world
@jojoho85332 жыл бұрын
i study bio, and it’s never been my passion, but THIS, this makes my heart happy, and I think that nowadays the amount of things we can learn and be, it’s nearly impossible to limit yourself to one single thing. Ofc there will be things that you enjoy more, but I think this is where wisdom relays isn’t it? to be critical in this world, to learn to realise that everything is one single thing in the end
@annabonany14473 жыл бұрын
Here because I love art and Joon 💜
@artistfromheart72 жыл бұрын
Same 🌵🌱🍀😁🐳🐋
@rosauracarr19812 жыл бұрын
Joon as in, BTS' Joon😆🌱🎨?!
@shordiepjm9 сағат бұрын
Interesting that "the images coming to you, instead of you going to them" can have a large impact of the way we interpret art and even the creation of art.
@IntermarkGroupAgency4 жыл бұрын
This is a superb series. It is a kind of response to 'Civilization' by Ken Clarke. John Berger wants us to consider the painting as a material object rather than a product of the life of the mind of a great man. I think these programmes are also a critique of capitalism from a Marxist- inspired viewpoint. John Berger is a gifted communicator and I appreciate those long takes where he talks to us on equal terms. I was struck by something else. In the last episode he discusses advertising, how it is a bridge from the possibly crummy life you live, in the crummy world, to a better one. He reveals that just like Plato, just like all the great religions, capitalism plays on our discontent with the here and now, by offering us salvation in another world, not after death but through buying 'stuff'. One last thing, looking at the large posters and adverts in the glossy magazines, the content 50 yrs ago was very arty. Today, I think the adverts we find on TV also promise another life but they are not arty (in the UK they are most often bizarre, infantile, even unhinged). The clips inserted in youtube I think are also incongruous, jarring with the content. Our time is denoted by Incoherence.
@zbharucha2 Жыл бұрын
I forgot about John Berger for a minute, glad he's still here.
@professionalpainthuffer3 жыл бұрын
John Berger was an incredible writer, critic, and man of conscience. We desperately need his ilk again\
@tylerlynch284910 ай бұрын
Who else is here because they felt the need to rewatch this after his passing?
@AlinRautoiu7 жыл бұрын
yessss
@rijnder3337 жыл бұрын
😢
@rijnder3337 жыл бұрын
It means so much to an art student.
@stron20047 жыл бұрын
I read Berger at Art School too. very influential on me then and since.
@marsCubed7 жыл бұрын
Yes
@7nealfreedman7 жыл бұрын
i am deeply enjoying watching this so far DESPITE being here based on the recommendations of a teacher
@Leah-fi5ee4 жыл бұрын
I always had his book around, so when I discovered these last year, it was pretty exciting! What a great contribution to the world!
@StLennyBruce7 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic series, thank you so much for sharing this. I can't believe how relevant it is today, especially episode 4.
@yourcreativejourney54369 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic. The way he observes and thinks
@beardmannaasu2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this awesome Series ! John Berger, may you rest in peace....You'll be deeply missed, you'll be forever remembered...
@MiaFeigelsonGallery7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a version in colour and good overall quality with subtitles!
@hal_inc10 жыл бұрын
what a fantastic programme! Thanks for making it available!
@celestinjohannesbuche5232 жыл бұрын
Remember this from college. Stuck with me. I have passed it on. I have the book. Never stop looking....
@Kerbeygrip22 күн бұрын
Wow. Spine tingling. Soo glad i found this! Thank you so much for posting this!
@lordoftheflings5 жыл бұрын
Our eyes are the most used when it comes to sense-perception! R.I.P. Mr Berger and gracias por heART!
@reneangulotrujillo17 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing!
@scarto707 жыл бұрын
very good. thank you for posting. I like the way he explains it and also the thoughts behind it. thoughts I would never had connected to paintings.
@Schneeeulenwetter7 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware of his passing RIP to a great mind. I had read a couple of his books back in the day, brilliant stuff! I just stumbled on all these BBC videos by happenstance. I can't wait to watch them all. The interview with Sontag looks interesting.
@jamesdemain19597 жыл бұрын
im just here because john berger is the hottest marxist of the 70s
@ecila263785 жыл бұрын
Me too
@onepartlastbreathe4 жыл бұрын
That's like winner of the special olympics. He's a disgusting man like all marxist vermin.
@daytonasixty-eight13543 жыл бұрын
@@daytonasixty-eight1354 Sounds like someone's a salty bootlicker
@katy39013 жыл бұрын
@@daytonasixty-eight1354 hey, what did special Olympians do to hurt you?
@adamboye893 жыл бұрын
@@katy3901 Bootlicker? You realize marxist ideology requires you to bootlick the state right? I lived in a communist country so I don't need a lecture.
@daytonasixty-eight13543 жыл бұрын
What an amazing experience! A true eye opener.
@albertusdrostable2 жыл бұрын
Wow. It's 2020 and yet this is so refreshing, insightful and though-provoking! Bravo!
@specialkate003 жыл бұрын
Watching these because RM of BTS read John Berger's book, Ways of Seeing
@danikim1192 жыл бұрын
Same here
@hsusjhajajsb10232 жыл бұрын
20:22-20:50 - wow, such a powerful way of illustrating the point
@williamanmary8 жыл бұрын
I just come back here every once and a while and feel so comforted. Love this man. Love this series.
@longhairedchild19 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this. Love from BTSARMY
@AplusIsME2 жыл бұрын
Is there anyone here who's simply watching because he is interested in photography and not discovering this in a class?
@dalenixon69817 жыл бұрын
yeap!
@igorgofman7 жыл бұрын
Thousands of people are watching this video all the time, so there will be a wide variety of reasons why they are watching.
@ajs417 жыл бұрын
Andy JS Was a comment in reference to the dozens of other comments citing their photography degrees as reasons for watching the video. Not to be taken as a general comment, but one specifically aimed at the other comments of said type.
@dalenixon69817 жыл бұрын
Dale Nixon I am.
@MsCherade97 жыл бұрын
I found this because I think it's relevant to my bachelor's thesis haha
@LetTheBodyFall6 жыл бұрын
2019 and they still make me read this book for history of art a - level (highschool)
@Alejandra-lm1nf4 жыл бұрын
I remember studying Berger's Ways of Seeing in grad scool. I learned so much!!
@lindaross7834 ай бұрын
I was recommended this video by The Art Assignment channel here on youtube - did not disappoint. Great video. Rest in Peace John Berger.
@MythologyNut015 жыл бұрын
This is truly wonderful. Berger is the most interesting narrator of any film about art I have seen yet. Not just his ideas, but also his delivery, the pacing and the intensity of his gestures and expressions. The ideas themselves are still completely relevant despite this being made long before the digital age. Of course, this only reflects the relevance of the even earlier ideas of Benjamin much of this film seems to be based on (an observation that is confirmed in the closing credit given to his seminal essay, "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction"). However, I'm thinking about using this in an art foundations class today and wondering if, especially for a younger US audience, his 1970s hairstyle and clothing, his eccentric wild-eyed passion for the subject will simply leave students shrugging him off as some kind of long ago wacko. This film needs to be remade using the voice as is (his British accent is probably still very hip here in US) and a digitized version of the appearance of Berger ... hmmm ... anyone know a good remix artist who might fit the bill?
@davidsokal20049 жыл бұрын
Outstanding interpretation of the essence of a painting more vivid than the paintings themselves. This is timeless masterclass for anyone inquiring into the Nature of Reality and its representations by human beings.
@mentormags2 жыл бұрын
I got the companion book by him, and decided to see the episodes before reading the book. He teaches how we perceive what we see. This is so key, as we are daily manipulated by advertisements that are far more effective than we realize. I am reading books on visual intelligence and art of visual perceptions, to finally learn to understand what I see.
@ThunderBroomPilot3 жыл бұрын
This whole series is superb. Thank you for the upload.
@garybyng8020 Жыл бұрын
I really like how John Berger combines his in-depth arts knowledge and Marxist thinking. There is a common weakness in many Marxist cultural theories simplifying the complexities of the art form. But Berger, though critical of traditional art experts, successfully twist their words and put them into his own argument, without reducing paintings to, say, literature and film, directly and tells us how these distinct possibilities of paintings help convey ideologies or become the fields of politics.
@markchan00610 жыл бұрын
Chan Mark no. Marxism is crap always. Resentful relativistic bullshit.
@Fidelio1165 жыл бұрын
Chan Mark this is the exact lens through which I have been most thoroughly enjoying Berger's works. you worded this perfectly. cheers
@kevinhann15755 жыл бұрын
@@Fidelio116 Okay, you're just saying words.
@goldjoinery5 жыл бұрын
@@Fidelio116 Marxism isn't relativistic you fucking cretin, it's actually criticised by a lot of postmodern thinkers for being the exact opposite. You. Fucking. Cretin.
@wj24294 жыл бұрын
@@wj2429 But he's right. Cretins - 2, Marxists - 0
@epsteenwusmerdered98783 жыл бұрын
A wonderful presentation, amazing use of space and silence.
@ketch_up9 жыл бұрын
The last soliloquy makes me want to make a video response to this!
@ketch_up9 жыл бұрын
insightful and very fresh...thanks John Berger
@ranjanjoshi34546 жыл бұрын
I just discovered these videos by myself and I think they are very actual also in our contemporaneity! It is essential to reflect about these themes constantly. I did not know that Berger had done these videos... John Berger is always very inspiring, also his books are great. Thanks for posting it.
@giuliainessimonetti86234 жыл бұрын
one of the most intelligent and comprehensible reviews of art in and out of context, in other words, how we see art today tx mr Berger
@guynouri6 жыл бұрын
I owe Joon for making me see this series!
@bibillyjay2 жыл бұрын
Same
@lia001232 жыл бұрын
Excellent....a learning experience ...... I had never considered the impact...the relevance of silence ...and how it incapsulates an original work of art and the viewer.
@FedericoCorreapainter2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation and discussion.
@gopikanandachattopadhyay34567 ай бұрын
This is just great information!
@PauloNideck8 жыл бұрын
There's no right or wrong as interpreting a painting or an artwork. you definitely can comprehend that from your own experience, get relationship with it, and let it be a kind of memory.
@sheilag.41978 жыл бұрын
+Sheila G. art tells us as much about ourselves as it does about the world around us.
@apseudonym8 жыл бұрын
Absolutely adore this series!!
@magicknight13 Жыл бұрын
So grateful to find this
@eternalbooty8 ай бұрын
8:21 that turn around tho
@Airbender195 жыл бұрын
The Ricardo Milos of the 70's
@Vandheleister4 жыл бұрын
I watched this in my teens in the UK. I've wanted to see it again ever since. It's only spoilt by the hard subs, which is distracting. I would recommend Berger's book by the same title and available still. Also, his collected essays are fascinating. Thanks for putting this up.
@kipling195710 жыл бұрын
When I first read your comment I dismissed it as typical anglo aversion to subtitles, but yeah, the subs are screaming loud around the 12-minute mark, when Berger wants to show us the effect of the silence and stillness of a painting.
@magnusbe5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this up!
@adirach9111 жыл бұрын
Simply spectacular
@viancaquinzon87798 жыл бұрын
28:48 Berger presciently predicts Internet commentary, but today, ironically, the dialogue has again become impossible.
@JeremyMcMillan7 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!!
@Mviscoolboy4 жыл бұрын
im sitting here impressed with how everything here is still relevant 40 years later, then the ending is like "oh btw it's more like 75 years"
@JackLoveday3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Thank You John and BBC.
@barbarabenjamin72788 жыл бұрын
simply brilliant.
@46metube3 жыл бұрын
this is so powerful
@isLifeSimple10 жыл бұрын
Who else is here, _not_ because they were assigned to watch, but because they find it interesting and they truly enjoy it?
@sparhopper5 жыл бұрын
I love the sound reasoning!
@junenell80967 жыл бұрын
Marvellous. I had been looking for this without knowing it for more than a decade
@yeahyeahyaha2 Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who has to watch this for their school of Art?
@merrittannon7 жыл бұрын
same here. assignment
@seonathwakrambam46387 жыл бұрын
LOL Seonath wakrambam aren't we all in the same boat? :P
@kshitij72107 жыл бұрын
I wish I did, when I was at art college, many years back.
@rob162487 жыл бұрын
welcome aboard
@edeanmark7 жыл бұрын
shameful they don't make you read it - the book is better
@antigen45 жыл бұрын
“Perspective centers everything on the eye of the beholder. Perspective makes the eye the center of the visible world.”
@iiSomeCrazyBrosii3 жыл бұрын
100% relevant still, amazing work! really happy to have come across it
@viknikol4 жыл бұрын
He aprendido con este vídeo más sobre la mirada del espectador y su sensibilidad que en todos mis años de carrera de Historia del Arte...
"Access to television must be extended beyond its present narrow limits." And here I am watching this one KZhead. How far we've come.
Exactly my thoughts
And today, we STILL aren't much better at perceiving what is right in front of us.
I was trying to type in “how to sew” but I accidentally typed how to see instead so now I’m watching this XD
Ways Of Sowing
Ways of Sewing. There are many ways you can, but everyone has their own.
as you sew so you shall see
That's some kind of 'Going Ape' answer.
😂 😆 😝
The idea of reproduced images, re-purposed as language elements in a conversation seems especially relevant in the age of Memes.
Your comment has made it into my actual uni notes, thank you
Check out Richard Dawkins, then.
Also walter benjamin
It's pretty much how I experienced Oscar Wilde in my youth
Exactly what I was thinking when he said that
This man was making memes in the 70s with that jaunty opera bit holy hell
I read your comment before watching that part but you're so right.
It's like the Renaissance version of this video: kzhead.info/sun/l9Zmn7BqjYyOdJE/bejne.html
This guy's perspective was wayyyyyy further than his time, even in 2020 this holds true
Really? What was it that was so lacking to 1972 in direct comparison to 2020? Interesting interpretation and discussion is timeless I'd have thought.
his last point about TV not being interactive was interesting given the rise of Twitch and YT streams (as with most democratic mediums the material becomes banal but imagine a John Berger Twitch stream)
@@GwaiZai So all things are just a vector for human communication and interaction?
@@philhunt1442 Hardly. But I can't speak to this as I saw this video almost a year ago!
Lol dude, people have been talking about this for a good century now. Look up critical theory.
John Berger is a badass. More than 40 years on, this series is still timely and very relevant. Brilliant stuff.
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10 years on from your comment still the case
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He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tells us how to interpret one painting in a secular manner and brings up caravaggios disputed sexuality as a way to give credence to his view of his painting. It’s hypocritical even if he calls himself out for it
He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tells us how to interpret one painting in a secular manner and brings up caravaggios disputed sexuality as a way to give credence to his view of his painting. It’s hypocritical even if he calls himself out for it
I feel my IQ go up in real time everytime I watch old british documentaries
In contrast, I just watched Swan's interview with Trump, and my IQ is going down every time I watch anything from the US president. And time seems slowed down...
An interesting admission that using precise language is more important than the material being covered.
Plz share some !
@@anguswheaton20 AHHAhahah
and i feel it go down everytime they end, a conundrum i dare say
Interesting that he mentioned the ability to reply in the modern age. That's what we're doing now.
+1ceanator99 and guess what it's a disaster lmao
He also said "be sceptical about it" very chillingly at the end.. i think i know what he meant
Do you know the facebook page "Classical Art Memes"?
@@mlembrant He simply means we should keep inquiring about the things that make up our surroundings, the institutions and social constructs that "happen to be there" since we were born. We must keep questioning these things. Be skeptical about it.
i do yes.. im not using facebook anymore tho.. i think the account is still alive, but i am dead inside
Just watched a video of Sir John Berger reading Ghassan kanafani ''Letters from Gaza'' and it intrigued me into knowing more about him, and here I am completely hooked into this series as a designer of my own. What a Great man!!
my favorite part was the school children interpreting the Caravaggio. i love Berger's attitude to art "experts." if an expert were to be there with the children instead of Berger, maybe there would have been a look of discomfort on his face as the kids got it all "wrong," in his own educated mind. maybe educated people should make people feel freer to think, not afraid to. of course, when you're doing hard history, there is always accurate and inaccurate, but is there really a right or wrong? thank you for posting this series!
they do ... REAL educated, erudite or at least intelligent people do just that - it's only pompous idiots who might use that as some kind of 'status card' to intimidate others
Berger's experiment with children shows that there is, in fact, unfolding time in paintings. We can see children attaching movement to the still scene and making up narrative on the spot. The story is unfolding in front of their eyes without anyone's direction.
did I ask?
There are multiple ways of engaging with art and I believe most critiques and experts know and acknowledge that. Just because an expert has put out a studied analysis of an artwork pertaining to the established objective standards of that particular art form, should not in any way intimidate you and prevent you from forming your independent interpretation. They are all equally valid in their own context.
@@viborrr Just got chills, reading this. Magical.
I'm so happy I could hear his opinion on art experts! I'm an art school student and throughout the years I've grown so tired of art. It's partly because I was expected to interpret every artwork according to my knowledge of the artist and the period in which they lived. The explanation given by the teacher always turned out to be less exciting than the one in my head, and because I'm terrible at remembering facts, dates, and even names, all of that led me to believe that the art world is boring, pompous and that somehow I'm not able to understand any artwork.
This is the reading list for any foundation course in Art or degree. If is isn’t then you’re not on a good course ..
I wonder what John Berger would have thought of Pinterest.
Yeah totally and zoom or skype 🤔
Who else is here because their teacher assigned them to watch this?
+PlayAndRage As a Freshman in art school (1980), the original book was required reading. I've been wanting to reread it and came upon this.
+PlayAndRage read the book in the '90s, had a copy too but misplaced it since then it was an eye opener, and something I would re-read with pleasure
+PlayAndRage Nah, here on my own accord. I wish I learnt about this in school.
+PlayAndRage To be fair here, what an awesome assignment this is.
+PlayAndRage we are not even assigned we are forced to watch it in class now.
RIP John Berger. There is something to be said about they way he comments on very complex and nuanced observations in a way that anyone from any background may understand and find intriguing.
i take it he flunked you.
same
"The images may be like words but there is no dialogue yet. You cannot reply to me. FOR THAT TO BECOME POSSIBLE IN THE MODERN MEDIA OF COMMUNICATION ACCESS TO TELEVISION MUST BE EXTENDED BEYOND IT'S PRESENT NARROW LIMITS" .....well well....these lines had aged well...from 1972 to 2021, where i am watching this in my 5 inch screen smartphone lying on my bed from a different part of the world, commenting my feelings about what i felt... Surely we have come a long way :)
It blew my mind the way he was carving into the painting at the beginning of the episode! My heart was cracking with each ripping sound he made through the canvas hahaha
Yeah they really should have turned down the audio gain. I prefer not to have my speakers crackling like that.
It illustrated his later points very well though. Mystification of art and detaching parts of the painting to create new meaning. Except here it wasn't done by a camera, but directly :D
@@YowLife no gain, no pain
I was shocked. I did not watch the rest. Why did noone stop him ? 😭
This is essential for the visual and art studies.
Why, what did you learn from this?
@@dimitrikorsakov2570 My takeaways are basically that art as reproduction and how we see it and perceive it is controlled by its contexts. We can take art out of the context of a museum or church and view it in our living room, removing the meanings of the building it is meant to be displayed in or adding meanings by putting it on a wall surrounded by other items (like the bedroom wall full of photos). Same with sound, adding and removing meanings based on context (the bit with the opera or the bit with the silly song, or even the dark reality of execution). We are also told how to perceive art by professionals who mystify and dilute artwork by telling us fancy descriptions while in reality, we are able to come to our own conclusions (like the children). If I may add as an opinion, I feel like we also shouldn't take professionals' interpretations as gospel since they are really just interpretations in the end, and I think we should all feel free to draw from art intelligently and think about it deeper than just reading a description in a book.
fascinating: at 11:40 he talks about stillness and silence, that he can't demonstrate stillness because the lines on a CRT screen are never still. but at 11:47 when he says he can demonstrate the silence - in this youtube video you can hear what sounds like VHS hiss while the video is playing. thank you for sharing this video!
Watching this on KZhead is the best way to watch it
@28:39 Berger predicts KZhead in 1972.
+spqr spqr cool nice comment, but it's important 2 add: recently restrictions and progressive channels being taken down/censored got worse on youtube, for example StormCloudsGathering not being able to monetize informative videos about war or h3h3productions getting flagged because they ironized commercially successful youtube channels
The Response to Media
Not only that but he predicted this very comments section.
not Berger, Walter Benjamin!
@@barbart_ in 1936!
this is so calming
So grateful this is available to watch here! I read his book “ways of seeing” 20 years ago as an art history undergrad and it really impacted me. What a treat! Thank you!
Has it led to any adequate followup material?
berger's last words in this episode could not ring more true in the presence of social media in our present day to day lives. everything we see on social media is edited and distorted in such a way that persuades us it is reality thus distorting our own perseptions of reality outside social media. and when we inevitably feel disconnected from the real world, we go back to social media to soothe and unconsiouslly reassure ourselves in a fake reality that's a whole lot more comfortable to live in without actually living. ALWAYS be skeptical!
Berger lived to experience the internet and KZhead (died at 90 in 2017). I’d love to have heard his thoughts on watching Ways of Seeing on an iPhone-how the context for the images reaching our eyes changes (or can change) so fluidly, further divorcing them from their original contexts. A mobile device allows the context to change in realtime. Attention can be scattered as the eye’s focus can move from one video to another on a whim. What would he have thought about how the medium affects viewers and changes the meaning of the original images?
Yes the mind's eye no longer trained to focus people are overstimulated.
I'm watching this for an assignment but as I continue watching it, it is actually very interesting. I guess I'll watch every episode because I am enjoying it.
Bloody brilliant stuff. Even though my teacher sent me here, I am damn glad she did.
RIP John. 90 is a good age!
Thank you Contrapoints, for taking me here!
Lol 😂 Contra is a sell out
Words cannot express my appreciation of John Berger's work, a romantic poet born to late for the romantics and a human being born too early for everybody else - we are all lens grinders thanks to him
I love this form of video where there is no unnecessary background music and other video effects distractions. Just pure information.
Eye-opening! Perspective changing! A must watch / read for all art learners!!!!
This was an incredible programme. There should be more lateral thinkers like Mr. Berger making art accessible to everyone.
Damn - just when I got to see his works. Rest in peace, John Berger. You have done an amazing work. Shame to see you go.
The credits are literally just six blokes. So, seven blokes total to put together one episode that packs more information, meaning and nuance into 30 mins than current day CHANNELS are able to in a whole year's worth of programming. Not to sound like an old grump, but it really does put the current media bloat into stark perspective.
I'm only here because we had to watch this for a school work and wow this is so good and soothing to watch and listen to
Fascinating, watching this as part of my master's degree at the moment and wondering what he would have thought about how this is now on KZhead, available for anyone in the world to watch at any time. The way art is presented has arguably changed even more dramatically over the past 50 years.
Hey, glad to hear that it's your thesis topic, i am also working on this article for my master's presentation on 30th of oct. Would be great to get in touch with you.
@@mairashaikh3390 Sure, it's not for my dissertation though, it was just part of the weekly required 'reading'.
This documentary continues to inspire us now - when visual images in the form of film, TV drama, pictures on social media, particularly memes are influencing how we see the world
i study bio, and it’s never been my passion, but THIS, this makes my heart happy, and I think that nowadays the amount of things we can learn and be, it’s nearly impossible to limit yourself to one single thing. Ofc there will be things that you enjoy more, but I think this is where wisdom relays isn’t it? to be critical in this world, to learn to realise that everything is one single thing in the end
Here because I love art and Joon 💜
Same 🌵🌱🍀😁🐳🐋
Joon as in, BTS' Joon😆🌱🎨?!
Interesting that "the images coming to you, instead of you going to them" can have a large impact of the way we interpret art and even the creation of art.
This is a superb series. It is a kind of response to 'Civilization' by Ken Clarke. John Berger wants us to consider the painting as a material object rather than a product of the life of the mind of a great man. I think these programmes are also a critique of capitalism from a Marxist- inspired viewpoint. John Berger is a gifted communicator and I appreciate those long takes where he talks to us on equal terms. I was struck by something else. In the last episode he discusses advertising, how it is a bridge from the possibly crummy life you live, in the crummy world, to a better one. He reveals that just like Plato, just like all the great religions, capitalism plays on our discontent with the here and now, by offering us salvation in another world, not after death but through buying 'stuff'. One last thing, looking at the large posters and adverts in the glossy magazines, the content 50 yrs ago was very arty. Today, I think the adverts we find on TV also promise another life but they are not arty (in the UK they are most often bizarre, infantile, even unhinged). The clips inserted in youtube I think are also incongruous, jarring with the content. Our time is denoted by Incoherence.
I forgot about John Berger for a minute, glad he's still here.
John Berger was an incredible writer, critic, and man of conscience. We desperately need his ilk again\
Who else is here because they felt the need to rewatch this after his passing?
yessss
😢
It means so much to an art student.
I read Berger at Art School too. very influential on me then and since.
Yes
i am deeply enjoying watching this so far DESPITE being here based on the recommendations of a teacher
I always had his book around, so when I discovered these last year, it was pretty exciting! What a great contribution to the world!
What a fantastic series, thank you so much for sharing this. I can't believe how relevant it is today, especially episode 4.
Absolutely fantastic. The way he observes and thinks
Thanks for sharing this awesome Series ! John Berger, may you rest in peace....You'll be deeply missed, you'll be forever remembered...
Thank you for a version in colour and good overall quality with subtitles!
what a fantastic programme! Thanks for making it available!
Remember this from college. Stuck with me. I have passed it on. I have the book. Never stop looking....
Wow. Spine tingling. Soo glad i found this! Thank you so much for posting this!
Our eyes are the most used when it comes to sense-perception! R.I.P. Mr Berger and gracias por heART!
Absolutely amazing!
very good. thank you for posting. I like the way he explains it and also the thoughts behind it. thoughts I would never had connected to paintings.
I wasn't aware of his passing RIP to a great mind. I had read a couple of his books back in the day, brilliant stuff! I just stumbled on all these BBC videos by happenstance. I can't wait to watch them all. The interview with Sontag looks interesting.
im just here because john berger is the hottest marxist of the 70s
Me too
That's like winner of the special olympics. He's a disgusting man like all marxist vermin.
@@daytonasixty-eight1354 Sounds like someone's a salty bootlicker
@@daytonasixty-eight1354 hey, what did special Olympians do to hurt you?
@@katy3901 Bootlicker? You realize marxist ideology requires you to bootlick the state right? I lived in a communist country so I don't need a lecture.
What an amazing experience! A true eye opener.
Wow. It's 2020 and yet this is so refreshing, insightful and though-provoking! Bravo!
Watching these because RM of BTS read John Berger's book, Ways of Seeing
Same here
20:22-20:50 - wow, such a powerful way of illustrating the point
I just come back here every once and a while and feel so comforted. Love this man. Love this series.
Thanks for sharing this. Love from BTSARMY
Is there anyone here who's simply watching because he is interested in photography and not discovering this in a class?
yeap!
Thousands of people are watching this video all the time, so there will be a wide variety of reasons why they are watching.
Andy JS Was a comment in reference to the dozens of other comments citing their photography degrees as reasons for watching the video. Not to be taken as a general comment, but one specifically aimed at the other comments of said type.
Dale Nixon I am.
I found this because I think it's relevant to my bachelor's thesis haha
2019 and they still make me read this book for history of art a - level (highschool)
I remember studying Berger's Ways of Seeing in grad scool. I learned so much!!
I was recommended this video by The Art Assignment channel here on youtube - did not disappoint. Great video. Rest in Peace John Berger.
This is truly wonderful. Berger is the most interesting narrator of any film about art I have seen yet. Not just his ideas, but also his delivery, the pacing and the intensity of his gestures and expressions. The ideas themselves are still completely relevant despite this being made long before the digital age. Of course, this only reflects the relevance of the even earlier ideas of Benjamin much of this film seems to be based on (an observation that is confirmed in the closing credit given to his seminal essay, "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction"). However, I'm thinking about using this in an art foundations class today and wondering if, especially for a younger US audience, his 1970s hairstyle and clothing, his eccentric wild-eyed passion for the subject will simply leave students shrugging him off as some kind of long ago wacko. This film needs to be remade using the voice as is (his British accent is probably still very hip here in US) and a digitized version of the appearance of Berger ... hmmm ... anyone know a good remix artist who might fit the bill?
Outstanding interpretation of the essence of a painting more vivid than the paintings themselves. This is timeless masterclass for anyone inquiring into the Nature of Reality and its representations by human beings.
I got the companion book by him, and decided to see the episodes before reading the book. He teaches how we perceive what we see. This is so key, as we are daily manipulated by advertisements that are far more effective than we realize. I am reading books on visual intelligence and art of visual perceptions, to finally learn to understand what I see.
This whole series is superb. Thank you for the upload.
I really like how John Berger combines his in-depth arts knowledge and Marxist thinking. There is a common weakness in many Marxist cultural theories simplifying the complexities of the art form. But Berger, though critical of traditional art experts, successfully twist their words and put them into his own argument, without reducing paintings to, say, literature and film, directly and tells us how these distinct possibilities of paintings help convey ideologies or become the fields of politics.
Chan Mark no. Marxism is crap always. Resentful relativistic bullshit.
Chan Mark this is the exact lens through which I have been most thoroughly enjoying Berger's works. you worded this perfectly. cheers
@@Fidelio116 Okay, you're just saying words.
@@Fidelio116 Marxism isn't relativistic you fucking cretin, it's actually criticised by a lot of postmodern thinkers for being the exact opposite. You. Fucking. Cretin.
@@wj2429 But he's right. Cretins - 2, Marxists - 0
A wonderful presentation, amazing use of space and silence.
The last soliloquy makes me want to make a video response to this!
insightful and very fresh...thanks John Berger
I just discovered these videos by myself and I think they are very actual also in our contemporaneity! It is essential to reflect about these themes constantly. I did not know that Berger had done these videos... John Berger is always very inspiring, also his books are great. Thanks for posting it.
one of the most intelligent and comprehensible reviews of art in and out of context, in other words, how we see art today tx mr Berger
I owe Joon for making me see this series!
Same
Excellent....a learning experience ...... I had never considered the impact...the relevance of silence ...and how it incapsulates an original work of art and the viewer.
Excellent presentation and discussion.
This is just great information!
There's no right or wrong as interpreting a painting or an artwork. you definitely can comprehend that from your own experience, get relationship with it, and let it be a kind of memory.
+Sheila G. art tells us as much about ourselves as it does about the world around us.
Absolutely adore this series!!
So grateful to find this
8:21 that turn around tho
The Ricardo Milos of the 70's
I watched this in my teens in the UK. I've wanted to see it again ever since. It's only spoilt by the hard subs, which is distracting. I would recommend Berger's book by the same title and available still. Also, his collected essays are fascinating. Thanks for putting this up.
When I first read your comment I dismissed it as typical anglo aversion to subtitles, but yeah, the subs are screaming loud around the 12-minute mark, when Berger wants to show us the effect of the silence and stillness of a painting.
Thank you for putting this up!
Simply spectacular
28:48 Berger presciently predicts Internet commentary, but today, ironically, the dialogue has again become impossible.
Thanks man!!
im sitting here impressed with how everything here is still relevant 40 years later, then the ending is like "oh btw it's more like 75 years"
Brilliant! Thank You John and BBC.
simply brilliant.
this is so powerful
Who else is here, _not_ because they were assigned to watch, but because they find it interesting and they truly enjoy it?
I love the sound reasoning!
Marvellous. I had been looking for this without knowing it for more than a decade
Am I the only one who has to watch this for their school of Art?
same here. assignment
LOL Seonath wakrambam aren't we all in the same boat? :P
I wish I did, when I was at art college, many years back.
welcome aboard
shameful they don't make you read it - the book is better
“Perspective centers everything on the eye of the beholder. Perspective makes the eye the center of the visible world.”
100% relevant still, amazing work! really happy to have come across it
He aprendido con este vídeo más sobre la mirada del espectador y su sensibilidad que en todos mis años de carrera de Historia del Arte...