The Antikythera Mechanism Explained with Dr. Tony Freeth

2023 ж. 31 Мам.
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Learn the secrets of the enigmatic Antikythera Mechanism, a remarkable ancient device with intricate gears and astonishing astronomical functions that have astounded researchers for centuries.
Dr. Tony Freeth is a founding member of the Antikythera Mechanism Research Project and an Honorary Senior Research Associate at University College, London. He holds degrees in Mathematics from Cambridge University (UK) and Bristol University (UK). His work on the Antikythera Mechanism has been published in Nature (Freeth et al, Nature 2006 and Freeth et al, Nature 2008) as well as other prominent journals.
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  • I love how John and crew just let their guest talk, for over half of the episode. I am here for your amazing guests, their stories, and the good questions John asks. Good show.

    @poughkeepsieblue@poughkeepsieblue11 ай бұрын
    • A rare trait in a largely narcissistic society...

      @Mortonbmx@Mortonbmx11 ай бұрын
    • I wonder how it would be if Neil DT was on, would John even get a sentence in? 😂

      @Njkk500@Njkk50010 ай бұрын
    • @@Njkk500 neil tyson is dipshit. He is to science, what kenneth coplan is to religion.

      @poughkeepsieblue@poughkeepsieblue10 ай бұрын
    • 😊

      @toddloosli3376@toddloosli33769 ай бұрын
    • 😊

      @toddloosli3376@toddloosli33769 ай бұрын
  • For anyone interested, the youtuber/clock maker Clickspring has an amazing series where he recreates a working model from scratch while also going into its history, recent discoveries, possible ways it was created at such precision at the time, and iirc made some discoveries himself that ended up in a peer reviewed study. Pretty fascinating stuff, and extremely satisfying videos! Great interview as ever, keep up the good work John!

    @_morla_@_morla_11 ай бұрын
    • Was gonna suggest this and i am glad I was beat to it. I tip my hat to you... and Clickspring

      @ModernArtisanCasey@ModernArtisanCasey11 ай бұрын
    • Clickspring did a beautiful job.

      @mrln247@mrln24711 ай бұрын
    • It slightly boggles my mind there wasn't more fanfare of him making the device with experimental methods trying to be historically accurate and a large chunk entirely by hand. I would have expected it to go on tour around the world and be shown in exhibitions, but as far as I can tell it's just quietly gone away and just sits as a collection off KZhead video's.

      @mrln247@mrln24711 ай бұрын
    • Came here to shout out click spring

      @slipperysam1337@slipperysam133711 ай бұрын
    • I was wondering if this has been accurately reproduced and if I could convince them to produce a permanent magnet pendulum clock and permanent magnet motor clock..

      @markcampbell7577@markcampbell757711 ай бұрын
  • The guest's voice is absolutely fantastic! It's like listening to a wise grandfather telling you an ancient epic! 😁

    @TheAmericanAmerican@TheAmericanAmerican11 ай бұрын
    • Or a very well read Pirate. I’d buy the audio book of Treasure Island if this man read it.

      @ocalicreek@ocalicreek10 ай бұрын
    • That’s why I listened to the whole thing ❤️

      @a.j.infowars7582@a.j.infowars758210 ай бұрын
    • @@a.j.infowars7582 If listening to a wise grandfather telling you an ancient epic is your thing, I have two words: Irving Finkel... (Are you an Infowars staffer or just a fan? I used to work with AJ back in the Sacred Cow/ACTV days...)

      @kenlieck7756@kenlieck775610 ай бұрын
    • @@kenlieck7756 thanks cool man, I love AJ & Infowars. I’m just a fan.

      @a.j.infowars7582@a.j.infowars758210 ай бұрын
    • Only SOUNDS like he smokes THREE packs a day!!!

      @traybern@traybern3 ай бұрын
  • I could listen to this man talk about this for days. Really fascinating subject and a really wonderful orator. Thanks for letting the man speak, John, you really are a top, top notch interviewer.

    @BriarLeaf00@BriarLeaf0011 ай бұрын
    • I'm busy writing a novel with this as one of the MacGuffins. Apparently Indiana Jones 5 took an interest in it too, the difference is that I've done my research and made a story that's rather close to the truth and close to what people would expect from an Indiana Jones type story.... Disney..... yeah from what I heard, they pretty much fucked up with it, modern tinseltown style. Such a pity, coz there is a really fascinating story to tell, I know, coz I've written it. Just need to polish some dialogue and certain scenes, but the overall story is finished, think I'm on draft 7 now, with continuous improvements on it.

      @stijnvdv2@stijnvdv211 ай бұрын
    • @@stijnvdv2 screw Hollywood, if you've got a great story to tell, then tell it. Good writing will stand on its own regardless of what other people do. Best of luck in your endeavors.

      @BriarLeaf00@BriarLeaf0011 ай бұрын
    • @@BriarLeaf00 it’s all total bogus. None of these things have every been proven scientifically. The truth is that Christ sacrificed himself for your sins & was sent to earth to cleanse mankind of all sin & evil, all that’s required is you repent to Christ & accept as Lord & savior

      @macysondheim@macysondheim11 ай бұрын
    • @@macysondheim right.... 🙄 the psychology of ideologies and cults is no doubt fascinating, just as with the (in my opinion mentally ill) woke people. But that's not the topic of conversation here.

      @stijnvdv2@stijnvdv211 ай бұрын
    • @@macysondheim Lololol

      @BriarLeaf00@BriarLeaf0011 ай бұрын
  • Amazing! So, I have a few questions and thoughts: 1. How the beep did they "machine" or fashion the gears? 2. How did they write letters that were 1.6 to 2 mm high? 3. Did they have magnifying devices to see these letters while writing? 4. How did they read them? much better eyesight than mine or - again, magnifying devices? 5. There was a mention of a 1 mm offset between centers of spindles to get to the last cycle of the moon as described in the video. How do you manage such critical tolerances in a manufacturing process that predates current robust mechanical/automated manufacturing? 6. So, you manufactured one of the sixty odd gears (I hope my memory serves me right) - how did they verify that the gear was to spec? 7. Specification! How did they specify and draw out the device for the manufacturing team to follow - let alone design it! 8. How many discards did they have before they got a correctly working piece? 9. So, who did the QA on the device and when? One of the cycles was 19 years! So did they wait for that period (or an average of 9.5 years) to test that functionality? One can go on... So many questions and thoughts. Thank you for this detailed description.

    @rptaraporevala@rptaraporevala11 ай бұрын
    • Some answers (These answers are my own view). . . 1) Simple tools fashioned to be filing kits. They then would cut out perfect circles from 1/8 inch thick bronze plate. As for where to cut, Clickspring does a good explainer on his second channel I believe. 2) Solder. Most glyphs and characters of the mechanism (+3,000 characters - 2019 Tony Freeth) were sculpted out of the plating, however the few above characters above the plating, were made from solder. 3) The Greeks made small bottles by winding threads of molten glass onto a core of clay mixed with manure. Blacksmiths and craftsmen alike would manufacture glass designed to magnify. 4) Eye sight - Unless you were a Roman, than you might need a translator from Greek to Latin. 5) I don't know the right answer to this. My own view is too cut precise and lightly sand until tolerance is achieved. 6) The gear is the right 'spec' when the gear has the right Module (Gear Tooth Count / Gear Diameter). Again, Clickspring's second channel goes through how they could have found this. The total number of gears: depends who you ask: Freeth, Wright, Price, C. Carman. By my count: 54 (2 Lunar Gears as per Freeth - Private Communication - Sorry :( C.Carman). 7) The Ancient Greek crafts were very Very competitive. Greek neighbours wanted to own the better version of whatever their neighbour owned. Ancient Greek crafters would obtain a version of the Mechanism, and replicate it with improvements. They'd then pass on these improvements to their apprentice, and the cycle repeats. 8) It's hard to say how much discard there was when the mechanism was in its initial construction. However, they used Bronze plating which there was an no shortage of. In it's refinement and cleaner manufacturing process, the discard would be to the minimal. 9) This question does make me smile. No, short answer. The craftsmen would set the dial to the beginning of the 19 year cycle, and wind it forward to the current date and would see if everything lined up. I've been researching the mechanism for several months for my own reconstruction for a Fully 3D printable Mechanism that anyone could print. I also know why Freeth didn't mention Clickspring but you didn't ask that question 0.0

      @sottyify@sottyify11 ай бұрын
    • @@sottyify thanks

      @rptaraporevala@rptaraporevala11 ай бұрын
    • VERY SHARP tools!

      @traybern@traybern3 ай бұрын
    • @traybern yes, also the hardness of the cutting tool would have to be high. This means having a good experience with metallurgy.

      @rptaraporevala@rptaraporevala3 ай бұрын
    • written by someone who has never made anything with their hands @@sottyify

      @sr4087@sr40872 ай бұрын
  • I saw it when even through the National Archeological Museum. I called my wife over and said "look it's the Antikythera mechanism!" She said, "Uh, Ok...." But to her credit, she pretended to be excited after she saw I was hyped up about seeing it.😂😂

    @baarbacoa@baarbacoa11 ай бұрын
    • *files for divorce*

      @ulfhedtyrsson@ulfhedtyrsson11 ай бұрын
    • @@ulfhedtyrsson She was an artist, and appreciates art much more than science and history. I've probably underappreciated great art at times.

      @baarbacoa@baarbacoa11 ай бұрын
    • Sorry it's just a joke

      @ulfhedtyrsson@ulfhedtyrsson11 ай бұрын
    • @@ulfhedtyrsson I know. My post makes it sound like she's a dummy. But I was just letting folks know that's not the case. It's that our interests are not 100% aligned

      @baarbacoa@baarbacoa11 ай бұрын
    • @@baarbacoa You might find this fact interesting: medicine, by the Ancient Greeks, was considered an "art" while MUSIC was considered a science! Their "ascending scale of Knowledge" was: Arithmetic, Geometry, Stereometry, Music, Astronomy. This is why ALL Greeks (including children and women) had to learn Music! They were also taught to love LIFE, conquer their fear of Death and do NOT expect life "after death" (unless they became heroes-serving Humanity-then Gods might grand them IMMORTALITY) and to always look at the stars at night, because "that's where the Greeks came from"!

      @KaterinaStamatelos@KaterinaStamatelos10 ай бұрын
  • The Scientists and Engineers that built this device 2200 years ago were incredible, and they don't get enough respect.

    @ryanb9749@ryanb974911 ай бұрын
    • Well, they made a few mistakes. For instance, there's no user manual, and no customer support. They don't even have a Web site with a faq! The main problem with giving them credit, though, is that they forgot to sign the bloody piece. There isn't even a company logo! I'm not entirely joking. Respect needs an object; something to be respected. We can admire their work, and respect their skill, but we can't respect them, because we don't know who they are. They may have been OK with that, though. I'm getting a serious nerd vibe from this mechanism, so they might have preferred to shut themselves into their workshop and avoid attention.

      @erikjrn4080@erikjrn408010 ай бұрын
    • They were black 😂😂😂😂

      @CharlieBrown-zr9wk@CharlieBrown-zr9wk10 ай бұрын
    • @@CharlieBrown-zr9wk They were Greek...

      @ryanb9749@ryanb974910 ай бұрын
    • They had help

      @kidssport8167@kidssport816710 ай бұрын
    • This is caused by the myopic tendency of some people to think technological and cultural advancement is somehow linear when history clearly shows that is quite far from the historical trend. The people who made such were absolute experts at their trades back then and you'd need to look hard to find modern engineers who could build similar complexity devices leveled to our current tech base. They exist for sure but it's likely a smaller share than we'd care to admit.

      @RiversJ@RiversJ10 ай бұрын
  • Some time in the 1990s I was on holiday near Athens. I went to visit the NAM in Athens and find the Mechanism before the Mechanism had been decoded. I think IBM had taken a look at it and done some X-Rays but it was displayed in a corner surrounded by many vases which seemed to be presented as more important than something with gears in it.. I am glad I have seen it for real.

    @mikedjames@mikedjames11 ай бұрын
  • Antikythera Mechanism I think is one of the greatest discoveries in archeology maybe ever. Only certain events could be higher, like the discovery of Tutankhamen tomb or finding the burial complex of the 1st Emperor of China or the ancient structure of Göbekli Tepe. But for me this Mechanism blows me away.. just the questions it brings up intrigue me too no end. Who made it? How many were around in ancient times. How old is this device really, could it be a design 100's or even 1000 years older than its determined age. Was this some one off Genius creation by some master craftsman or was this a ancient design passed on through the ages. This level of technology is 1000's of years ahead of established understanding.. I wish it was talked about more. Some experts seem to dismiss it, cause we never found any other devices like it or even similar kinds of evidence. The fact it's only one of it's kind ever found is absolutely insane. It generates so many questions in my mind, it basically rewrites how we envision people of those ancient times. How many other inventions of that time have we never seen?

    @BloodyBobJr@BloodyBobJr11 ай бұрын
    • Check 27:50 for possible construction dates.

      @markbeames7852@markbeames785211 ай бұрын
    • Our history is an estimate @ best we forget more than we remember, HUMANS ARE DESIGNED TO FORGET WHAT THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND. Understanding

      @NarenLumpkin@NarenLumpkin11 ай бұрын
    • The advanced technology was lost during a cataclysmic event.

      @a.j.infowars7582@a.j.infowars758210 ай бұрын
    • It's all in the mathematics... But without knowing the cycles then the formula could not be created.. There wasone point mentioned which give a clue to the date.. The accuracy calculated is not as precise as today.. What calculations amd how inaccurate? This will should be able to be picked up via Pi.

      @tatradak9781@tatradak978110 ай бұрын
    • @@a.j.infowars7582 "The advanced technology was lost during a cataclysmic event." No it wasn't.

      @ShizukuSeiji@ShizukuSeiji9 ай бұрын
  • I watched the full Stanford presentation on this device and it was absolutely incredible. Very technical and difficult to understand, but still very much worth the watch. KZhead does a good job of recommending the video so you should be able to find it.

    @JonnoPlays@JonnoPlays11 ай бұрын
  • A mechanism like that did not exist in isolation but was the result of a whole school of science and engineering. Just shows how partial our knowledge of history is

    @kickpublishing@kickpublishing11 ай бұрын
    • Yes its called astrology

      @miaj5118@miaj511811 ай бұрын
    • @@miaj5118 Wrong: in Ancient Greece it was called ASTRONOMY. Huge difference!

      @KaterinaStamatelos@KaterinaStamatelos10 ай бұрын
  • oh well there's tonights video sorted... Just spent 2 hours listening to a breakdown of how they figured this out - this will be a great follow on, thank you GMD - been watching for years

    @babybluesky9238@babybluesky923811 ай бұрын
  • A remarkable explanation of the history and function of what is probably the most important object we have from the ancient world. Dr. Freeth, who made many of the crucial discoveries about this object, gives simple, user-friendly explanations. I highly recommend his two papers in Nature, which are easy for non-scientists to understand, and which convey the intellectual excitement that surrounded this work. Best of all, Dr. Freeth credits the many contributions made by others in this amazing story. The best 53 minutes I've spent in a long time.

    @dennisdrayna9383@dennisdrayna93837 ай бұрын
  • Really blows my mind that this channel doesn’t have several million subscribers. Love your content John!

    @TheSouthernorycle@TheSouthernorycle11 ай бұрын
  • Amazing! Incredible! Outstanding episode John! As someone who used to believe a decade ago that ancient alien made this device and gave it to ancient humans, listening to an actual expert explain his discoveries about this Incredible HUMAN-MADE device almost brought tears to my eyes... We humans are unbelievably clever given enough time and resources! We built our current global civilization on the shoulders of giants and we have to make sure we can be the next giants for our descendants to stand on!

    @TheAmericanAmerican@TheAmericanAmerican11 ай бұрын
    • I'm glad you're no longer so silly to think that aliens have contacted humans.

      @legitbeans9078@legitbeans90789 ай бұрын
    • So how did they build such a precision device in that early time? Your original deduction is more realistic. Not made by humans... with the level of technology required to create such a device it seems obvious this was not man made back then. What other conclusion is there? 1mm precision back then???

      @monsvillerailways5736@monsvillerailways57369 ай бұрын
    • We stand on the shoulders of giants and the signal issue of our times is whether to allow our governments to sexually mutilate children. Thank goodness for videos like this.

      @ohgary@ohgary8 ай бұрын
  • The Antikythera mechanism was WAY ahead of its time no matter how you look at it! Gears are generally thought to have been invented during the medieval period, but here we have a set of gears from Antiquity!

    @jackesioto@jackesioto11 ай бұрын
    • Yes and they been hiding things ever since about our true human history.

      @drgunsmith4099@drgunsmith409911 ай бұрын
    • Before you make such claims check with the Chinese. More often than not they will have invented something first.

      @view1st@view1st11 ай бұрын
    • Before you make such claims check with the Chinese. More often than not they will have invented something first.

      @view1st@view1st11 ай бұрын
    • Not only a set of gears but an incredibly small and precise set some with teeth only 1.6mm long! Contrast this with the crude gearings of medieval times!

      @nickmonk7945@nickmonk794511 ай бұрын
    • @@view1st I believe the process goes thus Mediterranean: hey check out this cool idea India: um actually we invented it first China: ayyy lmao

      @thesenamesaretaken@thesenamesaretaken11 ай бұрын
  • Aliens, space tech, dinosaurs and ancient humanity ....this podcast reads my fantasies. Cheers John. Awesome.

    @alexherbert9404@alexherbert940411 ай бұрын
    • All of the above ❤ I see dinosaurs as aliens in a way.

      @johnhickey6114@johnhickey611411 ай бұрын
  • This was another incredible episode. I learned so much, having known very little about this topic before. I am in awe of the craftsmanship, design work and attention to scientific detail that the Greeks put into this mechanism. I don't need people telling me that aliens built the pyramids etc - our ancestors were capable of incredible feats of engineering all on their own by putting in a lot of thought and hard, skilled work. Dr Freeth spoke very well and is obviously passionate about his subject.

    @txrwauy@txrwauy11 ай бұрын
  • Great show. Absolutely fascinating.

    @alexprice104@alexprice10411 ай бұрын
  • I love these videos to watch before sleep. I'm thinking about what's being said until my brain slowly switching to dream, and those dreams are trippy as hell. And I basically must watch one video 3-4 times until I get to the end of it 😄

    @ivan-Croatian@ivan-Croatian11 ай бұрын
    • Literally me!! This channel and Isaac Arthur are about the only way I get to sleep! Anton Petrov is great too but his videos usually aren't long enough.

      @cropcircle5693@cropcircle569311 ай бұрын
    • So you put it on and fall asleep to it? I do that with The Why Files. I’ll start with this channel too. Thanks

      @PatPauloMMA@PatPauloMMA11 ай бұрын
    • @@PatPauloMMA Always!

      @ethyrice@ethyrice11 ай бұрын
  • There has been so much nonsense when discussing this device. Fun though it is to speculate, it's nice to hear some real discussion about it!

    @yerabbit6333@yerabbit633311 ай бұрын
  • ... the question remains "why did the ancients want to track eclipses?" ... how did it serve their purposes?

    @FairwayJack@FairwayJack9 ай бұрын
  • Î am fascinated by this and the fact that the ancient Greeks built such a machine. It only proves that my old obsession with ancient Greece is not that crazy.

    @exoexpansion@exoexpansion11 ай бұрын
  • It really feels as though the tendecy for man to disassemble and recycle metals like the copper alloys has caused lots of old world tech to vanish.

    @EksaStelmere@EksaStelmere11 ай бұрын
    • I mean they took the pyramid cap stones off to build a city. People are too lazy to cut the stone, mine the metal themselves so we are recyclers. I feel like a lot of humans are good at reconstituting objects to achieve a goal, maybe it's because we have been doing it so long.

      @captainhakob814@captainhakob81411 ай бұрын
  • Love the podcast. I really look forward to seeing all of these. Thank you so much.

    @LordTempist@LordTempist11 ай бұрын
  • Love. This. Topic. Can't wait to watch later!

    @derp195@derp19511 ай бұрын
  • The core question missing from this conversation is motive. Within the cultural context of the ancient world why would the ability to predict future cycles and movements of the moon and planets, eclipses and other astronomical events matter enough to invest the considerable resources required to design and build a machine capable of calculating and making these astronomical forecasts with such precision? It seems to me that astrology, pantheistic religion, and the prevalent belief in mystical omens and prophesy was of very great importance to the ancients. The ability to predict when an eclipse will next happen or when the moon with it's seemingly variable pace of movement through the sky would next be in a particular house of the zodiac were of great importance to all sorts of administrative decisions, war strategy, and pretty much any other project planning that the ancients might want to undertake. If I'm right about this, then the Antikythera Mechanism is a remarkable artifact in so far as it employed very sophisticated mathematics, scientific observations, and technological skill in the service of what was ultimately a mystical end goal or purpose of assisting augury and oracular prophesy. The mechanism was probably a sacred object of the priests of some temple, something secretly consulted before they would pronounce an answer to a question put to their oracle. The shipwreck it was found on sounds like it was probably a treasure ship filled with looted spoils of war, and a sacred object capable of predicting the movements of the heavens would certainly be considered a great treasure in the ancient world.

    @nedporkus8602@nedporkus86029 ай бұрын
  • I love this channel so much. Every time a new video drops it's such a good feeling.

    @AbbStar1989@AbbStar198911 ай бұрын
    • Thank you!

      @EventHorizonShow@EventHorizonShow11 ай бұрын
  • Great show. Great guest 👍

    @MichaelWilliams-pg4hn@MichaelWilliams-pg4hn11 ай бұрын
  • Thanks for topics and guests I hope to hear ! Thanks John & co

    @peterdhess6913@peterdhess691311 ай бұрын
  • Another big thing people are missing with this device is how they were able to strategically place so many gears into such a small device and have it operate smoothly without binding up.

    @idea999@idea99910 ай бұрын
  • Great interview/discussion on an amazing artefact that still holds immense fascination, and unanswered questions still.

    @MB-nn3jw@MB-nn3jw10 ай бұрын
  • keep in mind that ancient people took omens very seriously and the cosmos was a great source of omens... so if you're an emperor, or a general or a city-planner, or some high level decision-maker, a computer that can track major omens in the cosmos with a high degree of accuracy could potentially be a priceless asset. important to consider these things through what we know about people's worldview at the time.

    @seranonable@seranonable11 ай бұрын
    • Well...maybe. Much of what we know about ancient culture and the educated people of the time is just made up by archeologists to fit a convenient theory that shows history is completely linear and that we are the end all and be all and everything great about homo sapiens. Much of history is just fantasy created to explain ancient cultures that doesn't upset the pet theories of the status quo. Archeology is not much of a science...its more of a philosophy created in the humanities.

      @robsan52@robsan5210 ай бұрын
  • No love for Chris from Clickspring? I mean his reconstruction might be as flawed as others from a theoretical point of view but it's probably the most advanced from a manufacturing perspective and we _are_ on KZhead after all.

    @unvergebeneid@unvergebeneid11 ай бұрын
    • Wasn’t aware of it. Will look into it.

      @EventHorizonShow@EventHorizonShow11 ай бұрын
    • @@EventHorizonShow oh you're in for a treat!

      @unvergebeneid@unvergebeneid11 ай бұрын
  • This was great "new" information. Absolutely enjoyed this! Thank you both!

    @walterwally983@walterwally98310 ай бұрын
  • I love seeing John branching out a little from the typical topics. This mechanism has always fascinated ne!

    @John-mf6ky@John-mf6ky11 ай бұрын
    • More to come!

      @EventHorizonShow@EventHorizonShow11 ай бұрын
    • ​@@EventHorizonShowcan't wait to watch and listen to it! Hope all is well with you and yours ✌️

      @John-mf6ky@John-mf6ky11 ай бұрын
    • Hopefully doing some different topics like these will bring you in some more viewers and subs. You definitely deserve way more than you have!

      @John-mf6ky@John-mf6ky11 ай бұрын
  • Outstanding interview. Thank you.

    @uktenatsila9168@uktenatsila916811 ай бұрын
  • Incredibly interesting, thanks for another great interview and video, John. ♥️👍

    @paige-vt8fn@paige-vt8fn11 ай бұрын
  • I love the humility on this guy

    @Grandremone@Grandremone11 ай бұрын
  • The 2016 Stanford lecture was just as engaging! Thank you all for the new review!

    @lisabracken9317@lisabracken931710 ай бұрын
  • Great journey you took us on,beautifully informative. Tiny criticism- you don’t need the music - it distracts rather than adds to the sense of wonder

    @matc4882@matc488211 ай бұрын
    • "Tiny criticism- you don’t need the music" I thought it was fine and added to the sense of wonder of the spoken voice.

      @ShizukuSeiji@ShizukuSeiji9 ай бұрын
  • Your guest is a.great fast thinking speaker. If you were to print out and read all of of his dialogue,it would be a perfect script for a documentary his study of the previous people studying the mechanism and the origin of the discovery are ingrained in his contiousness and the way he keeps me glued to this episode even though I have heard most of these facts previously after viewing every KZhead channel I could find on the subject. Personally I would like to see individual photos of everything found from the shipwreck

    @uwu-gr7il@uwu-gr7il11 ай бұрын
    • Shoot, i thought it was a documentary! Lol. Great voice too.

      @aceloco817@aceloco8172 ай бұрын
  • Such a fan of Tony Freeth! Michael Wright's working models are pretty incredible; he's the quintessential eccentric English, garden shed engineer/inventor. This was a fantastic listen! When was this interview recorded; close to 2 June 2023, or earlier?

    @PBeringer@PBeringer11 ай бұрын
  • The discovery of devices like this just make one wonder what other great knowledge was lost and forgotten . Imagine if these sort of this were never lost

    @roshee5573@roshee55733 ай бұрын
  • Excellent coverage. Keep it coming. ❤

    @jtucker4419@jtucker441911 ай бұрын
  • There's a video here on youtube of someone recreating the Antikythera mechanism. Took him something like 18 months with modern machines. I can only imagine how many years this must have taken to make in Ancient Greece.

    @8-7-styx94@8-7-styx9410 ай бұрын
  • Looking forward to this one

    @DesignateVoid@DesignateVoid11 ай бұрын
  • Great to get this "from the horses mouth" so to speak! Such fascinating item.

    @cholst1@cholst111 ай бұрын
  • That was amazingly interesting, I've been interested in this for a long time and this was a well shared insight into the understanding of it.

    @thepartysjustbegun5557@thepartysjustbegun555710 ай бұрын
  • it's amazing also that with everything we have, the decades of work etc... we still haven't completely figured it out yet or have a complete working model. so intriguing

    @DwainDwight@DwainDwight11 ай бұрын
  • This was extra good, thank you!

    @jaymobiggety9903@jaymobiggety990311 ай бұрын
  • Thank you very much for this incredible podcast!

    @rodrigoff7456@rodrigoff74566 ай бұрын
  • Thank you for keeping the imagery on the device and not on talking heads. Well done.

    @jtcorey7681@jtcorey76819 ай бұрын
  • Lovely as always

    @c0ldsh0w3r@c0ldsh0w3r11 ай бұрын
  • I'm loving these archeology episodes. I wonder if Eric Cline would be interested in doing an interview. 🤔

    @ryanb9749@ryanb974911 ай бұрын
  • The device is anchored upon this ratio, 1445 * (7007/12) / 365.2422 1445 : 2310 Venus Synodic Cycles : Earth Years 7007/12 = 583.917 days Precisely 12 phases of Venus in 7007 days on Earth.

    @ralphwalters906@ralphwalters90611 ай бұрын
  • 28:40 Just a minor correction, Cicero was Roman not Greek. Though he also had a Greek education, so no doubt that's what caused the mistake. But Doctor Freeth explained the device very simply and very well. One of the best explanations of something from the ancient wold that I have ever heard. If I had more Profs like him in college, I might have actually learned something there.😀

    @algini12@algini1210 ай бұрын
  • The Enigma machine, and the Antikythera mechanism Are two of my favorite devices, one from antiquity, and the other from recent history (I have apps for both on my iPhone). Thanks for this great interview.

    @denvan3143@denvan31433 ай бұрын
  • I subscribed yesterday! This is great content, thank you!

    @sofia_ines@sofia_ines11 ай бұрын
  • 31:30 - It's so humbling looking back at our ancestors from more than two millennia, and knowing that they were just as ingenious and curious in understanding their world as we are, despite their lack of knowledge and technology.

    @dannyarcher6370@dannyarcher637029 күн бұрын
  • Utterly fascinating!

    @jamielondon6436@jamielondon643611 ай бұрын
  • Having an interest in design, I personally think the most interesting part of this is the development phase that went into creating it. I mean how many steps of more simple mechanisms went before it? Was it possible to be a one off creation? I doubt it, was this a top line model of a more common device? We'll never know but I think its intriguing.

    @rerooar@rerooar7 ай бұрын
  • On the topic of why they made the Antikythera Mechanism, but not simpler things like clocks: Just because they could make the Antikythera Mechanism doesn't mean a clock would be easy. Why go through the intense effort of manufacturing something that tells the time? The average pleb at the time probably just looked at where the sun was in the sky and said "yeah, it's about dusk." That was all the timekeeping they needed. If they really wanted something more accurate, even a sundial would be infinitely more easier and reasonable to make. So why the Antikythera Mechanism? I think because it literally tracks the movement of The Heavens... Of the Gods... It basically calculated divine knowledge. Might as well make at least one of these both for it's potential practical purposes and as a tribute to The Gods it keeps track of.

    @urphakeandgey6308@urphakeandgey630811 ай бұрын
    • The thing about clocks is that they had them. The Greco-Roman world had really elaborate water clocks, some even self-correcting to a degree, so the concept was there. It just appeared that they hadn't made the leap to the job of the water being done through a wound metal spring. They may not have had springs, but It might also just have been a matter that they did actually know to do that, but these mechanisms were so expensive to construct at the time that no one bit when the water clocks and sun dials were good enough.

      @JohnMichaelGodier@JohnMichaelGodier11 ай бұрын
    • As a Greek guy who has tried to read some of the transcribed text on the machine (and understands most of the words), it looks like a user's manual that was printed right on top of the device. Many words are missing of course, but in general I think it's trying to explain to the user what the outputs mean. That's probably the reason for the small text, they just had to fit all those words there. I just find that very interesting, because if that's true it means that the device was made for laymen, it wasn't a device that was shared between scientists in academies. Probably government officials or farmers or just rich people who wanted a cool gadget and didn't understand/weren't interested in learning how it works, they just wanted to be able to read it.

      @Carnagath82@Carnagath8211 ай бұрын
    • I think you’ve understood it exactly. A device that could be use to predict in advance when the gods would smile or frown could have led to success or failure of human enterprise under the polytheistic belief system of astronomical signs. Wealthy men and kings would pay a fortune to accurately ensure that fate smiled upon risky endeavors. Whoever could establish himself as a guarantor of heavenly signs would be a most trusted advisor, or a proven analog computing device might do so without the chance of subterfuge. No disruption of space-time continuum required.

      @richarddietzen3137@richarddietzen313710 ай бұрын
  • Fascinating video.

    @manuellubian5709@manuellubian57099 ай бұрын
  • Astonishing! Thank you!

    @beekneed@beekneed2 ай бұрын
  • Outstanding video! I’ve never been so enthralled!

    @peterpayne2219@peterpayne221910 ай бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @EventHorizonShow@EventHorizonShow10 ай бұрын
  • what a remarkable interview....time flew

    @aljosacebokli@aljosacebokli11 ай бұрын
    • Thank you for watching.

      @EventHorizonShow@EventHorizonShow11 ай бұрын
  • This is absolutely amazing. It very hard for us to understand this device because we don't really now how much the ancient people new. This device shows the knowledge of these people more than the written history does.

    @MAElbashir@MAElbashir10 ай бұрын
  • genius mechanism and lovely presentation

    @johndoe-ep7qk@johndoe-ep7qk10 ай бұрын
  • Love the show guys ❤

    @blacktriangle9490@blacktriangle949011 ай бұрын
  • Fascinating!

    @MichielHollanders@MichielHollanders11 ай бұрын
  • Thanks!

    @caseyrharris@caseyrharris11 ай бұрын
  • One of the most amazing objects we've ever seen on Earth

    @MadderMel@MadderMel11 ай бұрын
  • Seems like this would be invaluable for navigation in an open ocean when clouds obscure the sky.

    @brenton2561@brenton256111 ай бұрын
  • Look for ancient jewellery and religious icons that have over engineered parts that look like gears and you may find repurposed parts of a broken mechanism.

    @HAL-vu8ef@HAL-vu8ef11 ай бұрын
  • Congrats, amazing podcast!

    @sergicardo5631@sergicardo563111 ай бұрын
    • Thanks for listening

      @EventHorizonShow@EventHorizonShow11 ай бұрын
  • Makes one wonder what’s been lost to time that we don’t know anything about.

    @drgunsmith4099@drgunsmith409911 ай бұрын
  • 43:00 The thing that really held back technology in the classical world was slavery. The steam engine toy invented at the time could have been employed as a labor saving device, but who cares about labor savings when you have slaves? You aren't engaged in labor yourself, and so you would never see better ways to do the work. The slaves might, but they had no power to effect change.

    @erictaylor5462@erictaylor546211 ай бұрын
  • Fascinating

    @juliafox7904@juliafox790411 ай бұрын
  • I can't believe Archimedes could create this using tools of his time. What genius. We gotta recreate this mechanism and look for time rifts in the air!

    @Hokunin@Hokunin8 ай бұрын
  • Imagine future humans find a Nokia phone, then create a whole project and research group for this one unique mechanism.

    @Jay_in_Japan@Jay_in_Japan11 ай бұрын
  • Dr. Freeth is probably underestimating several things. We are often inclined to trust our knowledge, rather consider it potential limitations. In English composition classes, we are told to employ short declarative sentences, that carry more certainty than we are really justified in holding. Evidence from recent discoveries of Archimedes's mathematics text show that he was well on the way toward a functional alternative to a calculus. Roman surveying instruments are commonly depicted as very simple, devises. But they were apparently not common, the Romans also had sophisticated devices comparable to a plane table that could be used for precise mapping, and which even employed finely threaded adjustment screws. Pre-Christian technology was well developed, but . . . a Roman soldier killed Archimedes in his bath. Roman society was politically unstable, sadly corrupt, and slid into the Dark Ages, forgetting much of what was known, while ignorant religious types erased irreplaceable texts in order copy religious drivel, not even original religious drivel. What happened was a political collapse accompanied by an expansion of religious dogma and Church domination that lasted for over 500 years.

    @theeddorian@theeddorian11 ай бұрын
  • Great video !

    @amangogna68@amangogna6811 ай бұрын
  • We've done this all before, risen up and driven down over and over again for probably millions upon millions of years.

    @michaelbruns449@michaelbruns44911 ай бұрын
  • This is a subject I've been fascinated with for many years now (well over a decade, at least). It's honestly one of the most remarkable pieces of historical technology and, perhaps, one of the most poignant examples of (supposed) anachronism.

    @GareWorks@GareWorks11 ай бұрын
  • One of the most fascinating archeological objects ever discovered

    @redeyedjedi1853@redeyedjedi18535 ай бұрын
  • Yes! Good ol John Godier, I know it's gonna be good when he's the speaker.

    @zvisger@zvisgerАй бұрын
  • This us a great video on a facinating device. The questions it creates and some of answers are startling. I hope Xtech, not sure of the spelling, is doing well. They pursued an expensive project when most businesses would have been more concerned with existence.

    @JohnRodriguesPhotographer@JohnRodriguesPhotographer9 ай бұрын
  • Its a device which was used for making Astrological predictions of when things will happen in people's life, to the country and society in general. The only branch of study which require this detailed knowledge of the position of planets for the betterment of people and society is Astrology!! This is a powerful device for the ancient Greek astrologers who needed the position of moon, planets and eclipses for making astrological predictions

    @2inabillion@2inabillion3 ай бұрын
    • I suspect the statue of Marduk was a crude early version of this using rolling wheels rather gears.

      @jrrarglblarg9241@jrrarglblarg92413 ай бұрын
  • 👍🏻 fascinating, enthralling.

    @middleagedwhitebloke@middleagedwhitebloke11 ай бұрын
  • The engraved text, thousands of digits, were less than 2mm tall, did they have magnifying glasses back then ?

    @HAL-vu8ef@HAL-vu8ef11 ай бұрын
    • They ate a LOT of carrots!

      @traybern@traybern3 ай бұрын
  • Love love love a Thursday, Event Horizon is a highlight of every week, greatness! 🙌❤💫

    @ArienMasterpiece@ArienMasterpiece11 ай бұрын
  • You have fallen Into Event Horizon… …In which we liiiiiiive.

    @colonelgraff9198@colonelgraff919811 ай бұрын
  • How is the mechanism effected by position on the Earth to the night sky eg: Longitude & Latitude? As these things were not calculated till not that long ago. Is it Mediterranean specific?

    @trevorreeves5041@trevorreeves50419 ай бұрын
  • Just….amazing…!

    @jeffreyc5963@jeffreyc596311 ай бұрын
  • Very interesting story. 2 questions suggest themselves a) there must have been prr-cursor devices. Such as a device that only tracked, predicted the position of only the moon. The Antikythera mechanism is too complex to beba 1st attempt. Do we have any research or evidence of earlier such devices? B) does the availability of 3-D printing make it feasible to construct the gear and experiment with how the device works?

    @rdatta@rdatta5 ай бұрын
  • I’m an idiot in denial… I claim to be well read concerning the Greeks and Roman’s and history in general… but for the recent ads for Harrison fords upcoming movie? I’ve never heard of this device nor it’s discovery! Thanks for uploading.

    @Mindfultranslations@Mindfultranslations10 ай бұрын
  • Some try to say the technology (tooling, esp) to build this 1500 years ago had to come from "other worlds". Do we have any archeological evidence from that time period that provides any method or clue that would proport abilities of making extremely thin metals, tiny etchings, etc., such as what's found in this device? Fascinating interview.

    @andy164501@andy1645017 ай бұрын
  • I can't help wondering whether there might be indications of the precession of the equinoxes built into this incredibly complex device?

    @tdowl@tdowl10 ай бұрын
  • Technology like this must have taken generations upon generations to mature. Ignoring what they might have used this device for, there almost had to be various sorts of complex gear devices being used by relatively wealthy people.

    @baarbacoa@baarbacoa11 ай бұрын
    • Yes, you would certainly think so. They didn’t just suddenly create a device like this… without any predecessor. Even if those earlier examples of this technology are out there somewhere waiting to be discovered, the creator of this one had to be an absolute genius. It’s fascinating to think about.

      @madmattdigs9518@madmattdigs951811 ай бұрын
    • That is certainly the suspicion of many historians but the lack of evidence prevents speculation. But I mean when one looks at the relative sophistication of the greco roman world, its almost unavoidable. Its like all the other books from antiquity mentioned only in passing. Happens all the time. A good example for the anglo world is like if Shakespeare whole saved body of work would be A Midsummer Night's Dream, but in passing by other peoples writing you hear there were other works like Hamlet or Macbeth. Probably masterpieces but who knows.

      @Atrahasis7@Atrahasis711 ай бұрын
    • @@Atrahasis7 Yeah it has been noted however that because its bronze once any tool or other artifact is no longer needed/useful they generally remelted it down because bronze was very valuable. Thus the absence of such artifacts outside of things lost at sea or burial isn't that surprising either.

      @Dragrath1@Dragrath111 ай бұрын
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