Alpine A110 vs Toyota GR Supra | PistonHeads
2021 ж. 28 Қаң.
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The launch of a four-cylinder GR Supra means Toyota's sports car is now more accessible and economical than ever. But it also places the entry-level model directly in the firing line of one of the best lightweight sports cars out there, the Alpine A110. How does it stack up? Dan Prosser delivers the verdict...
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Having tested a billion cars Dan bought for himself an alpine so that tells you how good it is.
Historically, the Supra has never been an out and out sports car. More a sporty GT
@@bogmanstar889 Stock Supras were never 'ballistic' tho. Stock A80s were definitely more sedate than a stock A90
@@bogmanstar889 All of the great looking ones were modified ones.
Alpine everytime, pure sportscar like no other modern car
Lotus?
Elise? 4C?
Cool car... But the interior is shit though
No manual though
@@peperoninja387 I really like the interior-paired back and yet special touches, like the row of chrome switch buttons. And the Sabelt seats are something else. The most comfortable seats I’ve ever had in any car (and I literally mean any car)...fixed buckets! Who would have thought.
in a world full of fake reviews, I always know that I can trust yours because they are spot on
It would have to be the Alpine for me - if I was buying a Supra I would definitely want that 6 cylinder B58, the 4 cylinder just doesn't have that much to offer imo. I also love the fact that in 2021 small, lightweight, mid-engined sports cars like the Alpine exist and get the credit they deserve. Great video as always!
Instablaster.
What i love about the A110: you sit at the Centre of mass. There is nothing like feeling the car rotate around you as you push on through corners. Amazing feedback from the best chassis in the business.
Spot on!
it is the same in a brz and inside an abarth spider(presumably also in a mx-5); I do whish Honda would reiterate the s2000 or their del-sol's, mazda a small rx, opel their speedster, and, who knows, maybe other manufacturets would jump the boat. Hot hatches are a treat and the current type-r with the homologation special from toyota are some of the best cars that rode on earth.. but, seriously, there is nothing greater than a small 2 seater rwd car on the nice piece of mountain road.. or between the hills in a sunday aftternoon.
Brilliant review, best presenter in the business
Genuinely do not understand why there aren't more views and subscribers on this channel. The quality of content is amazing. I don't even drive I just like watching the videos!
One of the best journalists of the younger generation for sure
This is a great review. This guy knows his cars.
2,000 pound price jump for the Alpine - that's the brexit bonus lol
Twat. Simple then, don't buy one. Hope that helps? 😂
@@stevenhearnden66 Tired of increasing prices, reduced stock and increased import duties yet? Or is England great again to wash all that fail away?
@@sunnohh car manufacturers have been increasing their prices for some time on the basis that the twats buying on PCP will ask 'how much a month' rather than it's actual price. 😂
It has increased in Europe aswell to be fair.
@@stevenhearnden66 Most likely pollution tax increasing each year.
If you really want a Supra then just buy a used 3.0 instead..👍👍
Yet another great video by DP. I wonder: have you ever tried a (sorted) 4C against the Alpine? Even lighter, same bhp (more or less)....
The alpine's 4 cylinder sounds so good in comparison to the Supra 2.0
I do like Dan's videos - one of the best car reviewers out there. Quite like the Alpine too...
Alpine all the way.. Looks much nicer, more elegant than the Supra. And to be honest, I've been in a Supra, and it screamed BMW at me. And it drives like one. I didn't like that at all. And the Alpine. Its just cute and aggressive at the same time.
You buy a french unreliable car? With 50k and have no where to even put your shopping ...😂
Cool video. Another comparison might be comparing this budget supra to the Gt86?
My favorite car is A110 .GREAT THANKS DAN for amazing review!!!
Completely different cars. Alpine A110 all day
Not really, similar power output and price. Comparison is valid even though the A110 is a lot better car IMHO, mid mounted engine and low weight...
I'm already thinking that those 4 cyl Supras could be a bit of a performance bargain in a couple of years.
Very good presentation..
Considering the release date of both, it could be a nice way as well to look for those second-handed.
Wish we had Alpine in USA
Could you just imagine how good of a car the Alpine would be if it were equipped with a manual transmission?
Would be perfection,im kinda glad they wont build one or else i would be fucked trying to save money for one
Is the 4 pot F type a better comparison for the Supra? I may not be the target market for these, but I would assume buyers are remembering their previous cars and hanker after the badge, but want compliance and day to day usability with enough performance. I get that the Alpine is the better sports car, but I am not so sure it is the better car.
Toyota should collaborate with Renault and build the modern day MR2.
7:47 : Why every youtuber testing the Alpine has a big smile like that ??? 😂
Much of what you say about the Alpine applied to the 40th Anniversary 911 I owned. Arguably more space for clutter, and why I loved it other than, crucially, the ride. I live near Croydon and the shocking roads were painful to endure. The Alpine might be the answer and not a Porsche. A car that is useable for the mundane stuff and the capability to thrill on good roads is a great thing. You’ve got me thinking......
Can say I’ve only seen a couple of these cars on the road, shame... Alpine for me, no doubt
love the influencer pose dan!
Say what you will about french interiors and build quality but my god can they make a car that drives and handles perfectly! Love Alpines and Renaultsports for this reason
Yes but you wouldn't buy one, mostly cause the build Quality, you know there be problems engine wise down the road...where as the Toyota are built prof, and 10 years warranty...I know which one I would go for..
@@coolsiwales agree for most but i had two renaultsports, one on 140k and one on 76k, never missed a beat. As reliable as any brand ive had, that includes Toyotas and Hyundais
@@seriousscoop yeah maybe they put a. Bit of actual work into them lol I currently have a 120d 1 series. 05 reg .on 222k, it been a great car,.but if I am going to buy, let's say second hand 40k car...I just couldn't go with the Alpine lol
Did anyone else notice how the Supra has //M-coloured stitching on the seats?😂
The only thing that Toyota did was to stick the badge on the front and back of the BMW Supra, even the Toyota signature scratch plastic is greatly missed!!
Don't say that!
Mazda Mx 5 and Alpine a110 driving pleasure
Alpine for me.Its built like cars should be....weigh a lot less.I have yet to see any other new cars go the route of low weight.Lightness would benefit all cars and be better for the environment which is a no brained.The impending BEV cars are a case in point not sure anyone has seriously attempted to offset the battery weight penalty yet.
As a driver's car is the Alpine A110 better than a 911 997 or 991?
Seems PH and Henry are using the same roads.
can we have it in the US?
those Alpines also do not depreciate as much. i could not find a single used car much below the price of a base model. If you buy it new thats a big factor. second hand supras will surely provide an amazing value to the second owners
To be fair, the Alpine hasn't been around for long. We could see that change a few years down the line seeing as it's now the most common Alpine in their history.
For those saying why did they make a 2.0l Supra, it's due to the Chinese emissions tax, they're very popular there, similar to the 2.0 F-Type
Same with the 4cyl Boxsters and Caymans. Sales in China are booming, while in Europe and US they fell, hence the reintroduction of the 6cyl versions 😙😙😙
Be interesting to see a head to head between Litchfield versions of these.
Unless the euro specs are different from the US specs, the 2.0 Supra has an open differential instead of a electronically controlled mechanical diff.
This has the benefit of time, and you probably know this by now, but I just wanted to mention that the 2.0 has a Mechanical lsd vs an electromechanical lsd on the 3.0. In other words, both cars have lsd, but they are different.
Alpine is money well spent. But if want smthg else a 2 litre 4 cyclinder Z4/ Supra? Type R or i30 N any day imo more engaging more rewarding and definitely more practical and reliable as well
if you are a driver, you will but the Alpine, if you like looking in mirrors, you know the rest.....
wait didn't you own a a110 gray?
Alpine ❤️👍😍
Alpine...hands down. Plus, a 4-cylinder Supra? Technically, I'd consider that to be a Celica...
Nissan 370Z Nismo vs 2.0L Toyota Supra?
The Supra for the entry level version, could be a more interesting version if toyota spent the same time as they did in top version. This marketing versions are normally made just to sell more cars, the base is there but the fine tune didn't went to town. It's a GR product should be better.
Hello Dan😋
The Alpine's not a manual gearbox, though. With that sort of power, weight and dynamics, the French missed a trick here so a driver's car for automatic lovers.. Doesn't work for me.
Yup, Manual A110’s would have sold like hot cakes, because all other essentials are there (mid engined, RWD, extremely light) just not the manual gearbox
Tell that to chevy k thanks
@@onelyone6976 Nah people still complaint about another things... Lotus have manual gearbox and people run to buy a DCT BMW or DSG Audi. 90% of people want a expensive brand.
Go buy a Lotus Elise instead 😉
Alpine of course
I do like both of these, but for the money I’d always end up with a used 981 cayman...
it's crazy to think a £40k car is having it's engine described as ok when a gen2 Cayman 987 has an engine to die for - literally! and cost half as much
Alpine any day of the week and twice on a Sunday!
Like both cars for what they are, but wouldn't buy either without a manual box.
Toyota for me for everyday sports / get car
this feels just a tad biased, but cool vid.
Niche cars as no plus 2 rear seats mean impractical as an only car thus a Lexus RC or GT86/BRZ a more real world choice for me as Alpine lovely but out of my price range at $100k AUD unfortunately yet Supra 6 only $83k by comparison :(
The supra was never an out and out sports car, it was always marketed as a gt car, but people relized the tuning capabilities and the supra became the people's sports car, but Toyota themselfs also sold it as a gt car
An "every day" car goes into towns and cities where the A110 is wasted.. it's a beautiful little pocket rocket, and deserves to be on open roads, pictured in this video with a weekend bag in the back, but it has no storage, try getting your weekly shop in one! The Toyota has a bigger boot and doesn't require being pushed to the raggedy edge to enjoy it.. more usable around town. Both cars are superb, and both do different things.. this is a bit of an odd comparison here, just because of the pricing and same amount of cylinders, I personally dont think they're comparable?
To be honest, I dont think potential buyers of the Supra will make these considerations. I think the people who buy the 4 cylinder, just cant afford the extra x grands to pay for the six cylinders, that's how these things work, people buy the stuff they can afford.
Alpine!!!😻😻😻
In terms of cost the 3.0 Supra is a better comparison vehicle now. Any options on the Alpine are very spendy
Alpine all the way but I imagine price difference is enormous?
Not for the Pure. but once you start to specify options (light weight wheels, sports exhaust, Sabelt seats) it does go up a bit.
Shouldn’t you have disclosed you have the alpine as your personal car. Not that it would have effected the outcome
I thought that. I also then decided I must have been muddling presenters and cars. If he does have one of course it alters the review bas he has much more seat time in one than the other which massively changes driver confidence.
But then you would say that wouldn’t you, Dan? Just a hint of bias here😜. But still, Alpine all the way for me as well.
Alpine>every model of new supra
The GR Supra is just like a modern version of my old BMW Z4 3.0 Sport Coupé..
Your old z4 is the new z4, fucking wild...
Under what criteria can you really compare these cars? I don’t see how they compare on any level other than price. The real reason anyone would buy the four pot Supra is because they want the 6 cylinder but can’t quite stretch the finances that far. Dan should also declare his A110 ownership. There was always only going to be one winner here.
@Andrew having seen multiple reviews for both cars didn’t learn anything new from the video. Did you?
If the Toyota used a Toyota engine, I would buy the Toyota (due to reliability.) BMW engines are OK but long term they develop many issues. With their huge resources Toyota should have developed its own engine. The Alpine A110 is a great car. I will stick with my (much lower powered) Suzuki Cappuccino and have just as much fun.
0:10 what? the 4 cylinder is just an option there´s still a 6 cylinder version
Yes, that's why he said he was talking about the Supra 2.0.
@@Kookanoodles but he said that it is a problem but i don´t see why
@@dillaadminson1683 He explains his opinion in the rest of the video
I wouldn't want the 2 litre version of the Supra and I love the Alpine however you state that the Alpine can be an everyday driver? If you require virtually zero space to carry anything other than one passenger,then maybe.Also there is no mention of reliability in this test and that would matter to me if driving a car on a daily basis,Renault consistent do poorly in this respect,for instance finishing 30th from 31 manufacturers in a recent 2020 WhatCar survey.Alpine is stunning to drive,no doubt, possibly not so stunning to own.
Because renault suffers with DCI engines... Petrol is another history... and with warranty you can buy with confidence even porsche have problems, people still buying. The only problem I see in the A110 is in long track days season with a hot day, the gearbox can may appear as overheated... you need stop and wait a bit. Engines? I don´t see fatal problems at this day
Not convinced these two cars should be compared. Don't get me wrong I like the Alpine and all it's apparent qualities. I have no doubts about all the rave reviews it gets. But all the handling and ride praise it gets sounds suspiciously like a Miata doesn't it? If you were to ignore the badge and price it starts sounding like an 86 not a Supra. Then what about the Alpha Romeo 4C or the 718? We live in heady times to have all those choices...well at least in Europe.
I’ve owned an MX5. The A110 is a different beast altogether. To suggest it is just an overpriced MX5 or Toyota 86 is doing it a significant disservice. But having said that, the MX5 and the 86 are great drivers cars...in that sense, they have a common principle, just like Lotus....
Well why Mazda doesn´t make a Miata Spirit R? with a turbo 2.0 engine? the 4c is radical at the limit especially in wet: "An early start, a drive to Surrey, a chance to get the 4C out of the city. Finally, some wet but open roads and a chance to stand on it. The news is not good. The 4C feels all over the shop. The steering weighting is weird, going light and then heavy seemingly at random. Worse yet, the whole car darts and scampers across every wonky camber. At one point it almost spits me across the road into the path of an Avensis. Chuck in the boosty, aggressive power delivery that threatens to unhinge the back wheels and the whole thing is stressful and stupid and really very nasty. By the time I get where I’m going my mood is foul and my anus puckered. That wasn’t much fun at all" The 718 is the stronger rival.
You can tell Dan owns an Alpine can’t you..... tbf it’d be my choice too
The Z4, err... the GR Supra is perhaps more comparable to a Peugeot RCZ-R.
I don't get the Supra. I really don't. And at that price point???
If you love the alpine so much, you should buy one...oh wait 😂. I don't think theres anything the supra, 4 or 6 cylinder, does better than any other rival.
I tested out a supra, and they don’t handle people over 6 ft much and over 150 lbs, those over 6 ft 2 and 200 lbs need not apply.
If you really want a Supra, buy a Z4. If you really want a sports car, buy the Alpine A110.
A110 taken to RSTuning for stage 2 and a manual gearbox conversion
Would ruin itb
@@gregmayled why's that?
@@Ahogg1992 The car has the perfect amount of power for its weight, suspension, chassis and tyre balance as it is. Adding more power would be excessive and would compromise traction. Adding wider tyres would undermine the cars agility and progressive traction loss from factory.
@@Ahogg1992 as for the manual gearbox, this car has the engine from the Megane RS, so it would be possible to fit a reasonable transmission I would have thought and one that is also proven to be reliable, but most of the time when these cars are retro fitted back to manuals it ruins the car. 430 Scuderia manuals for example are trash. The car was designed around the dct so I don’t think it would be improved with a manual or atleast not greatly improved
@@gregmayled I tend to agree. The gearing is short, ideally designed for the car, and because it is relatively short it requires constant engagement. The Cayman I tested it against was also a wonderful car, but the manual gearing was so long I spent most of my time (at legal speeds) in 2nd or 3rd. I’ve also owned a manual Megan RS265, and it was fantastic. But the DCT on the Alpine is so fast, it brings a different type of engagement...as for power, you can get it tuned to 300hp (225kw) and 380Nm, but it doesn’t need it. Tested by auto car, it is as quick as a Cayman S to 100kmh, and quicker I think from 80-120kmh. Why more when it is so perfectly balanced as is...
Alpine Vs V6 would be more appropriate
V6 what? !
Why? You're talking nonsense. These cars cost pretty much the same and have the same power output. On top of that there is no V6 Supra, facepalm...
@@Daumex straight 6 relax buddy..
Just came to see exactly how bad the supra is against that masterpiece
2.0ltr Supra makes no sense, why would you pay over 40k for a car with 250-60bhp when there are a whole host of better and cheaper options with more power and driver engagement?
Alpine everyday! New Supra is a transvestite automatic BMW, like all new BMW´s it has no soul, just a heavy, ugly mess
GR Supra is very cool but Alpine is more special car: instagram.com/p/B6aAC3pHHHy/
Good review, what was Toyota thinking with a 4 banger Zupra? LOL...
Later to be a cheap,easy to mod,track car, or just another cheap to get car for 2j swaps.
Yeah no lol
@@nissanz5822 how so? Quiet literally that's bound to be what people will do with them.
Alpine is 100% extase
Lol Monk s bedroom ..
What do you expect from an Alpine owner
The alpine would be perfect with a manual, the Toyota would also be perfect if it was a Yaris
Alpine yes because its nice looking.The Supra/BMW is a massive turn off.....
But the BMW 2.0T engine in the Supra is.....streets ahead.....of any 4Cyl 4CylT "Renault" engine ever made in history!!!! And Any Porsche Boxster/718/Cayman would bury both these cars, hammering in the last nails in their coffins!!!!
Why bang on for ages about how the Supra isn’t a sports car then want a quicker gear change in a sports car?
Tbf its a real conundrum, my next porsche is a hard call between the slower better feeling slower manual and the objectively quicker and less fun tiptronic.
Love 🇯🇵 cars, detest 🇩🇪 ones. Never confused. 😂
Ok, who cares
Alpine is the vest sports car ever made. The supra is an everyday bmw
You're forgetting a simple name: Lotus Elise 😏
A 4 cylinder Supra should have never existed. Let alone the fact that it's more BMW than Toyota.
Do the 80s 4 banger supras not exist? Do you really give a shit who made it?
@@sunnohh The MK1, MK2, MK3 and MK4 never came with 4 cylinder engines. They all had inline 6 engines. I personally do care. I want a Toyota that is made by Toyota and not a BMW.
Goodbye manual transmission.
Dude, that music is torture. Is it supposed to turn people away?
No one in their right mind would buy that Alpine.
the BMW engine has more potential.