Doctors told Florida women her fetus wouldn't survive, and she was still denied abortion
Deborah Dorbert is a Florida resident who was forced to carry her pregnancy to term and deliver after discovering the fetus was diagnosed with a lethal condition. Florida's abortion ban includes an exception for fatal fetal abnormalities, but her doctors told her they could not act, according to Washington Post reporting. Dorbert and her husband Lee along with their doctor, Dr. David Berger, join Morning Joe to discuss.
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Doctors told Florida women her fetus wouldn't survive, and she was still denied abortion
#Abortion #WomensHealth #Politics
Politicians need to be charged for practicing medicine without a license.
And for any medical murder they are responsible for causing.
Except the ones that support your beliefs. Right?
Legislators should be paying her medical expenses as well as costs in burying the baby.
YES , CHARGE THEM.AND SUE ALL INVOLVED THE PHYSICAL &MENTAL TORTURE.
@@bethmeadows9489and for the emotional trauma and physical trauma as well.
It's not about saving children, it's about control.
exactly, they don't want to govern....they want to RULE
State rights voted In democratically. Cry about it
Absolutely!
@E B thanks to gerrymandering, besides the maga GOP didn't get the popular vote over the last two decades.
Like the control you get murdering a baby 🤱 with abortion!!!!
I can’t imagine how awful the mom felt every time someone innocently smiled at her baby bump and said, “Congratulations, you must be so excited!”. Dying inside by a thousand cuts.
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
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That's why I avoid mentioning a woman's pregnancy unless she brings it up, unless she's a very close friend/family member... you never know what's going on or if they're even pregnant! So sad that she had to endure this.
A hard as it is, I would use my anger and tell people what is going on so they can see how horrible these laws are. Maybe it will change a few minds.
Yeah, this is horrific. I seriously couldn't imagine.
I live in a Blue state and worked in a hospital department that dealt with exactly this heartbreaking situation. All our patients were couples who wanted their babies very much, only to find out fairly well into the pregnancy that the child had some condition that wouldn't allow it to live (no kidneys, no heart, etc.) . Terminating the pregnancy was a terrible decision to have to make, but all of our families made the choice so that their child wouldn't suffer for even a minute. The procedure was always with the greatest respect for parents and child, and it was ensured that the baby wouldn't feel any pain. Families should be supported in times like this, not forced to endure further agony. We also had a patient die when she developed sepsis. By the time she flew in from a no-abortion state, the fetus had been dead inside her for two weeks, yet state laws wouldn't permit her doctors to do anything, just to keep telling her "wait and see." She was 22 years old. Her husband was 24.
Oh my goodness how very sad!
Please watch the next abortion, via 3d, 4d, or even 5d ultrasound, and you will see just how violent abortion is! You will be very surprised to watch those children reacting the same exact way you or I would if someone tore off our arms and legs! They scream, they thrash around in pain, they desperately try to get away, and they suddenly grow still as death starts to set in… it’s gruesome! No one deserves to die that way, especially a child! Loosing a child is sooooo difficult and painful! But if you were dying, would you rather be surrounded by those who love you, embraced in warm arms? And not stabbed and torn apart, terrified? 😭 just because you can’t see them reacting (without an ultrasound), and just because you can’t hear them screaming (because their lungs are filled with water, not air, and they are under 7 layers of skin, muscle, and fat, doesn’t mean that abortion is suddenly pain free.
Heartbreaking! I’ve lost two babies but my body didn’t miscarry them. I’ve had two D&Cs so I wouldn’t go into sepsis.
I'm literally crying.... People are so cruel and selfish....
Republicans don't care at all about anyone but themselves and control. Pukes
Pure evil. Forcing her to watch her baby die. Diabolical.
As opposed to sucking it out with a vacuum?
@@salortiz6548 yes, waiting weeks or months in pain, with a increased chance of getting an infection that could cause infertility or death just to watch your newborn die in extreme pain is much worse then a D&C.
@@salortiz6548 hey Sal do you have a Uterus? Nope‼️. Having your dead child inside you for Months? Are you insane?
@@jenniferhowser3252All women experience pain while dealing with pregnancy and labor! She’s not special
@@MamiTT237 not the emotional pain of carrying your terminal newborn with the ever present reminder of your pregnant belly knowing when they are born they will slowly suffer.
Sue the state of Florida for pain and suffering.
And attempted murder!
Yeah - for the baby's pain and suffering. Once they were born, they suffered at the state's hand.
@@jaymorf7374 So did the mother.
@@Slw1111 yes, but Florida doesn't care about mothers
and slavery. still dont know why the dems arent holding up the 13th amendment. forcing a woman to carry IS slavery.
I could not imagine going through all of those weeks to full term and strangers congratulating you knowing that the baby would not survive. My heart breaks in this entire situation.
I can't imagine carrying a deceased baby for weeks/months. This woman is never going to forget this
Keep in mind if a couple is trying to have a baby, time spent carrying a non-viable fetus not only endangers the chance of a later successful pregnancy, but delays that potential next pregnancy. "pro life" indeed.
They'll just say that if there's no pregnancy there's no problem. I've heard that said before.
Prenatal diagnoses aren't always 100 percent accurate, and although this is a tragic story it's morally correct to carry to term as long as the mother's life isn't in grave or permanent danger.
@@JahRastafari89 "morally correct" is an opinion.
It also can endanger the mother's ability to ever carry a child in the future.
@@JahRastafari89 You know where you can stick your moral correctitude...
I have a relative who had a fetus that was non viable. To force a woman to go full term endangering her life and possibly taking her away her husband and children should be a crime!
Sue the politicians- all of them that make these rules. Make it a class action law suit. Money for damage to health and cause of suffering.
Not to mention the impact on her mental health 😢
Not to mention, her FUTURE fertility…🤬
Because pro-lifers are really pro death. Everyone knows that
No one forced her. There was ample time to get clarification from the DA on the exemption.
I don't think there's anything more disgusting than force a mother to get attached to a child that she will have to see suffer and die regardless.
And it’s not disgusting to tear the arms and legs off of a child, watch them thrash around in extreme pain, terrified, desperately trying to get away as their head is crushed? Abortion is an absolute violent horror show! And is dangerous for women!
@@jenn2597 I dont think you put tools inside of a woman to crush her insides, you use suction machines 🤨 The baby sadly was gonna die either way, the mother made the decision to terminate after the weighted the situation. Instead not only did she have to carry the baby, suffer since there was no amniotic fluid, be congratulated for being pregnant, go through childbirth and see her kid slowly suffocate and die in her arms. You are not helping kids, youre forcing people to suffer.
@@jenn2597 Just stop lying. The fetus is anesthetized and feels nothing.
@@ramcharge2704this fetus had already passed away inside of the mother, it was rotting inside of her. There wasn't even amniotic fluid. They normally give a drug to stop the heartbeat of the fetus when they are medically necessary late in pregnancy. Either way, it isn't the government's decision if this family should carry a deceased child inside of her body, it's her, her doctors and what is best for the health and safety of her. There isn't any exception to that. Full stop.
With Conservatives, cruelty is the point.
This is insane. A woman was forced to carry an unviable baby to full term, knowing the physical pain and anguish it forced on her and her family.
This is so sickening. I hate these politicians who think they know more than doctors.
its not really what the politicians think. They are just pandering to the mob, I would bet that half of the politicians that are pro life have either a close family member who has had or paid for an abortion or they themselves have had or paid for an abortion at some point.
I hope you're directing that toward politicians on both sides because they are both failing
When have Republicans ever cared about science, reason, or compassion?
@@Reinventyourselfvibes just the side that allowed this to happen. This is not a both sides issue
I pray women of all ages learn to vote to protect themselves against these people that use women's bodies for their own belief's....VOTE Them out!!
Another repercussion of not terminating an unviable pregnancy might be the inability for the woman to ever conceive again. A woman's long term health is a stake here. Lawmakers need to keep their damned nose out of people's bedrooms and their personal medical decisions. These are private issues and no one else's business.
That is even a more horrible crime. So GOvernor DeWine how would you feel if your grandaughter could not conceive because of this treatment. Let's get real. It is cruel.
I have no words fir what's going on in the US. I follow this, because my country usually is just a few years behind what's going on there. Hopefully we will not end like this. But we have a lot of right wing older people where I live and they say the same things the far right in the US says. It's scary! I hope it will get better again in the next few years for you!
Roe v Wade didn't create abortions in the US, that ruling made them safer to get. Many women died or was maimed enough where they couldn't have children later when they wanted them.
Abortion is the number one reason women can not get pregnant, or carry a subsequent pregnancy to term. Both her uterus and cervix can be permanently damaged as the abortionist removes the pieces of the broken, torn legs, arms, crushed head, and jagged/broken rib cage of the child he killed. The children can be watched, via 3d-5d ultrasound, reacting the same exact way you or o would if someone weee tearing us apart/crushing our heads. It’s extremely violent… wouldn’t you rather die peacefully in the arms of those who love you than to spend your last moments terrified and in extreme pain?
Even if she can conceive again, her emotional state has been so traumatized that she may not want to or may be incapable emotionally. She has PTSD. I know what that is like but my experience is very different from hers. I'm lucky I'm here to tell you about it. Took me 5 years to even consider having another child.
6:09 Yes, this. Denying the abortion just drags out the pain and depression, delaying the healing process and delaying the ability to try to have a healthy baby. My heart goes out to this family.
Thank you for doing this interview. I had an unviable pregnancy terminated 40 years ago. I cannot imagine the pain to myself and my family, if I had been made to carry to term.
My daughter's first pregnancy ended in a dead baby, still in her. She was given an abort pill and the fetus ejected on Mother's Day. It was hard and sad, but she was able to get pregnant again within a few months and had two successful pregnancies after. Interfering with this woman's decisions on her own reproductive life has made this outcome totally outrageous and all women in the State of Florida should protest!
On Mothers Day? I am so sorry for your daughter and hope she is well. That has to be horrific for her. ❤️🩹
@@sammi723 Rest of message tells you she had 2 babes after that loss, oldest just turned 10! Grateful we all are!!
Everyone in Florida already drank the evangelical Christian Taliban Kool-aid. Otherwise DeSantis wouldn't have been voted in.
Well that’s very sad but the reality is that most women getting abortions don’t have sob stories! Most women getting abortions are being irresponsible and that is disgusting when you have irresponsible people having abortions left and right when birth control is nearly free yet you have States like California who are willing to pay for a woman’s abortion and allowing them to say it’s ok to use your body as a tool for a vaccuum or put acid in your body to sizzle your baby away! Maybe someone should have done that to your daughter.. could you imagine making that decision.. I highly doubt it! I don’t care what the risks.. because they’re already on the table! EVERYBODY with a brain knows, bearing children is a deadly toss up!
This happened to my DIL, she had an incomplete (non expelled) miscarriage at 9 weeks (no heartbeat on 2 ultrasounds) had to take the pills, it took weeks for the rest to be expelled! They now have a happy healthy 3 month old daughter.
If MEN experienced pregnancy this would never happen. Personal rights, Healthcare related rights would be absolutely sacrosanct and untouched by government. It is so sick what's going on with relitigating basic human rights over one's own body.
Goofball. ✅
@@donothingMTIAMG MAGA is a cult of sociopathic traitors.
That difference between men and women happens all over the world. Viagra is fully covered under our universal health care. Birth control pills are not. Not even when your doctor prescribes them for medical reasons (severe pain, excessive blood loss, endometriosis etc). If only men would menstruate or get pregnant, birth control would be free.
It's past time we hit men with forced vasectomy and no Viagra.
Men have no right to rule on this issue at all.
This was very difficult to see and hear. I couldn't contain my emotions and cried for this family. Mika, you pulled through this interview well. I could hear it in your voice how much you were impacted by this story. Family, I hope you heal from this, and I'm so sorry for your loss. ❤🙏🏼
She’s traumatized. My heart hurts for her.
So “pro-life” of them. It’s not about “saving lives” it’s about making sure women make as many minimum wage age workers as humanely possible.
Also die by the third of fourth one so daddy can get some fresh.
You must be pretty dumb if you think there's a chaste system for workers to make only minimum wage.
If people aren’t having kids, how is the government going to tax them to pay For you to stay home during a “pandemic “
@@EB-du3vh Is there another pandemic happening? Did you get Covid when it was killing THOUSANDS, had a high fever that killed most of your brain cells off and that is why you can't rationalized reality? Is that what happened to you E B?
yup, make more working ants for the oligarchs
As a mother, I am ENRAGED at what this poor woman and her family were put through. TALIBAN IS ALIVE AND WELL IN FLORIDA. SHAME ON THEM ALL.
Desatan in the middle of the night signed a bill that no abortion would be viable after 6 weeks? Shame on you
This is worse than the Taliban." Article 404. (2) If the persons, specified under the above paragraph, commit the act of abortion for the purposes of saving the life of the mother, the offender shall not be punished."
Strange how republicans fought the taliban in 2001 after 9/11... and then BECAME the American taliban in 2021... 😈
the American Taliban is not just in Flordia, they have chapters all over the country, and the world.
Been saying that for over a decade. Yes. SHAME!
Deborah is a million miles away in this clip. I can’t even imagine how awful it was, to go from creating life to being your own child’s tomb. The things that women and those with female anatomy have to experience because of these laws are nothing short of literal torture.
My heart breaks for this poor woman.
Republicans absolutely do not protect American girls and women. This story is heartbreaking. No one should go through this..
I believe they're trying to keep you groomers away from the kids
What is a woman ?
Ask T ara Reade if *democrats* protect women.
You mean like how you groomers protect little kids from mentally ill men who want to be around kids and play in women's sports?
Democrats don't know what a woman is
Politicians should stay out of healthcare. They shouldn’t be making medical decisions for people. It’s not only dangerous but cruel. Thank you MSNBC and the grieving family for allowing us to hear their stories. These stories need to be heard to prevent more women and families from suffering. Women are not slaves. They should have the right to decide what is best for them.
With Republicans cruelty is the point. They are fascists.
IKR? And these are the same clowns that were opposing government interfering in health care when the fought against the ACA.
Regardless of the subject, a Politician will claim to be a subject matter expert while simultaneously demonstrate near total ignorance.
@@LibbyRal good point!
Amen
I cried while listening to this. Having miscarried at 10 weeks and needind a DNC I can't imagine having to carry to term knowing what was coming. This poor family, I am so sorry for the pain they have gone through. My heart goes out to them.
I made that mistake with my first missed miscarriage. I chose to wait it out and see if it would expel itself instead of a D&C. I ended up hemorrhaging and needing a D&C anyways to stop the bleeding. I would have needed a transfusion if I hadn't had the procedure asap. Now that I know now how cruel religious folks are I understand why when I had the second missed miscarriage and knew better than to wait and see the surgery scheduler was so heartless. Every time I would say D&C she would say "you mean abortion 🤬" She wouldn't schedule it until I said abortion, it was a wanted baby so it hurt to say it like that so I hung up the phone and decided to wait and see again. Luckily it did pass this time without incident. I am now wiser than I was then and advocate for myself and others now. I should had said proudly an abortion and told her off.
Thank you, Debra, your husband and doctor, for sharing your horrific experience. I'm so sorry you suffered this terrible situation. 😔 💔
This woman has lost more than her baby. Her mental health is extremely damaged and you can see it through her demeanor. I’m sooo angry. No woman or family should be MADE to go through this. 😢😢
and the physical damage to her body so that she needs a year to recover, and then there will be additional risks because of what they put her through. All this protecting babies rhetoric is shown to be a lie because this baby couldn’t be protected. Her mama could have been, and her desire to have a baby would have a better chance of being fulfilled, but none of that matters to these bullies
@@mariag.8242 Well said!!
Don't you get it? The Florida legislature is laughing and delighting in the pain and suffering they are causing the women in their state to experience. Imagine the POWER and PLEASURE to see that hurt, to hear that trembling voice, to know YOU caused that damage. Yes...this is what the sociopath LONGS to do...and every single person in Florida who voted for them voted to ENJOY the same level of sick power.
@@jenn2597 you can take your trolling lies and propaganda right on out of here. you sound like a fool!
@@jenn2597 Have you ever had an abortion don on you?
To everyone who says the only reason a woman ends a late term pregnancy is because she is "lazy", listen up.
They don't care. They think women are blow-up dolls and don't consider us human beings at all.
Decades ago, I read a nonfiction book about the plight of women in third-world countries like IIRC, Sudan. What stuck in my mind was the fact that some had to endure having a dead fetus inside them for want of any medical care. I never in my wildest nightmares would have expected this to become the case in America.
So sad
this is cruel and unjust torture. I cannot imagine what Deborah went through as a normal pregnancy is traumatic for many people; the Dorberts deserve better. The fetus deserved better (It must have been in pain too). I wish they could sue the politicians! This is evil.😰😰😩
These women need to sue their states for trauma and neglect of medical care! Keep sharing your stories!! ❤
I think that will happen sooner or later. A woman will die, DeSantis and Florida will be sued and he will blame it on "woke Liberals." Where woke goes to die? More like where WOMEN WILL die!
Sone are. They need a class action suit
Or if possible move. Why choose to bring up a family in such a terrible place if you have other choices. I hope young folks who see this and other similar stories think long and hard before deciding to build a career or family in a state that thinks women are nothing more than breeding stock.
@@marshatolbert154 this is what they want (per MTG)! Don't move, vote, fight - this is your country, your state
@@lesleynelson2248 I live in Georgia, a purple state. I have seen my state go from being in Democratic hands and relatively progressive to becoming very conservative and gerrymandered under Republicans. I brought up my daughter here. Life here is much worse than when she was growing up. I’m still here, and voting blue, but my daughter moved up north and has a better quality of life. A young person who wants to build a career and safely have a family has a better chance in a progressive state. I would never encourage someone to sacrifice their family for a political statement. Besides, the only thing these oligarchs understand is losing money and workers. The only time folks in the south made progress was when under federal legislation or federal court orders. We need to hold the White House and Senate, and elect 5 more Democrats to the House and pass legislation enshrining the legal standard that Roe v. Wade gave as a framework, and pass a new civil and voting rights legislation.
Pro life, the GOP doesn't give a bleep. This is the Handmaid's tale.
It's what they want. We can't let that happen.
We should call it anti abortion. They're clearly not pro life.
@Bthsr71 it already has happened. Good luck. I'd get an IUD stat
@@annnee6818 George Carlin called it out years ago: they are anti-woman.
The GOP doesn’t care about life. They care about power and control
I am so angry. I just lost a pregnancy at 6 weeks, but we didn't learn till 8 or 9 weeks in. I had always expected to want to handle a miscarriage "naturally," but once it was a real fetus I was losing, I could not bear the thought of them ending up in a toilet. I got a D&C, despite it being a more "invasive" procedure, so that I could have remains to bury and mourn so we could try again. The idea of being forced to damage my body so badly that I could not even try again -. I feel physically frozen on the outside, and mentally, my body is writhing and trying to claw its way out of my paralyzed flesh. I was able to view my miscarriage as a blessing. It meant we were fertile. It meant we were in a good place to try again. I cannot imagine what it would be to have that comfort (and that time) taken away FOR NO REASON. The thing that makes me angry is that I literally cannot share this story with my parents because it comes from MSNBC. So now I am stuck having to research reporting from somewhere "central" enough that they will even be willing to watch it. I'm not even on the political left, and I don't generally watch MSNBC, but they've decided that I am "indoctrinated" and can't figure out why we wouldn't want to join them in Florida when my husband retires from the military. The fact that I can't even share this with them, as someone who is *actively trying to have a baby,* is just horrifying to me.
It’s hideous torture for that family to be forced to carry that baby for many extra weeks knowing the inevitable outcome. Shame on Florida.
What these people don't understand is that not everyone wants to terminate a pregnancy just for the sake of it. These types of conditions are what should be considered, and these are decisions for the patient, her doctor, and family. Not politicians 😒
Nobody "wants" to terminate a pregnancy ever. It's only ever a better option than the alternative. It's no one's business why a woman makes the painful decision that she does and politicians (not to mention the religious right) need to stay out of it.
That’s why it’s important to be educated on what is abortion and what is not abortion. A stillborn or miscarriage is not abortion as there is no heartbeat, there are labor pills to induce labor to expel the fetus they don’t go full term. illegal clinics with cheap procedures coercing women are abortions
@@JescaML A miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion. That is the definition of it. A natural abortion, the body does on it own. Medical abortions have been around in some form, usually alchemy based, since women could get pregnant.
They don't care. Cruelty is the point
I don’t think anyone wants to terminate a pregnancy “just for the sake of it.” 😔
This is so insane. WE MUST VOTE THESE DANGEROUS POLITICIANS OUT.
Fascists don't listen to votes
So difficult, but so necessary to hear. This story, like others needs to be spread about!
What happened to "unless it endangers the health of the mother"? This poor woman's PTSD will haunt her for the rest of her life... Even if she can conceive again, she may not emotionally be able to. They don't care about lives ruined.
This is so sad. So wrong. These laws are about cruelty, hate and control. Just disgusting. Who did this help? Who?
Adoption agency’s that make money on unwanted babies, corporations that need more wage slaves, companies that sell to the infant and toddler market, cannon fodder Does he actually help American families? No and the republicans don’t care
On the average, it helps gop maintain power. Young women have babies they can't afford, miss opportunities for education and career, and turn in to single mothers holding 2 jobs who don't have the time to vote, while raising children that will have a lower success rate in education and also go on to be easier to manipulate. It's about controlling who votes. This is another form of voter suppression.
Something Something "killing innocent babies" Something Something "but muh religion sayz that abortion will send you to hell!1!1!!" /s if it wasn't obvious
Only the deepest misogyny can get joy from something like this. No one else.
I have to assume it made some right-winger's god happy. Human beings should not be allowed to prevent suffering early when a suffering dying baby is what the god itself wants. Praise be!
The look on her face. In her eyes. That’s pain. I recognize that pain. I’m so incredibly sorry for her and her family.
Him also.
Me too.
And that little whimper that escapes now and then. I feel so awful for this woman and her family. I feel her pain deep in my heart
You’re absolutely right. Sometimes empathizing with a fellow female happens without thinking but yes… he is suffering as well. I appreciate you mentioning that.
@@sentientcreaturesit's not the male at risk here during a pregnancy, it's a woman. The empathy is hence well directed.
I watched the original broadcast as this couple relieved the horror they were forced to endure. I was saddened and enraged. I am so sorry she had to go through this. But I am grateful for her bravery in testifying to what she and her entire family endured. And I am committed to voting for those people who respect the rights of women to choose.
So cruel. Thank you and your husband for your courage.
And this is why we need to make it where politicians, companies, lawyers or religions do not get a say in medical decisions. The only voices that matter in a question of ones health and medical choices are the patient and the TRAINED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS directly involved in the care and treatment. There should be no question here, no doubt or complications from outside parties or agencies. Enough is enough.
Socialism is the religion that women are sacrificing their babies to...
This victimized woman represents the tip of the iceberg. How many cases have we not had the opportunity to hear about? Especially in the poor minority community who suffer more complications due to poverty? How many have died as a result of this government sanctioned and enforced malpractice?
@Fred Jones unless its about guns lol. whatever you do don't talk about their guns lol.
They aren't supposed to. Laws should not be made on the basis of religion. And no matter how much they try to obfuscate it, this is a religious debate. IMO, its un-constitutional to ban abortions because it denies people's freedom of religion by forcing them to obey religiously motivated laws. We've all seen what religion and state joining can do (historically, its always been bad, and even in current times, its still the worse, check out some countries in the middle east). This is such a slippery slope. Next thing you know, well be going back to the McCarthy era and early cold war craziness.
but... but... mah buleefs!?!?
Why anyone would want to live in Florida under fascist Desatan law is beyond me! Voting matters
Evidently the people there are overwhelmingly in favor of what the state legislature is doing...fastest growing state in the country...in fact pretty much all the fastest growing states are red. Lower taxes, better environment for business, few restrictions on housing thus lower construction costs etc...
Simple, it's a fascism safe place.
Wanting to and having to are 2 different things.
Does he want to run for president in 2024…if he is, he should lose in every way possible. Abort him…..
@@Laura-hk8wn I understand that some don't have a choice and that sucks 😞
My sympathies for her loss and the cruelty she was forced to endure
That poor lady sounds like pain personified. This family & their doctor are so brave. Any politician that gives medical advice w/o a mediical license or used sources that have no medical baisses, has committed faud. Needs to be prosecuted for fraud.
My heart goes out to this family. The brutality of these laws is beyond belief! I can totally relate, because when I was pregnant with my daughter, I developed pre-eclampsia in my 6 month of pregnancy. My blood pressure climbed to 220/180, my liver swelled and I lost the sight in my right eye. The doctors put me on strict bedrest to try to gain some time for my daughter to develop. At 7 months they induced labor and she was born, tiny but healthy. If this had been outlawed we both would have died, according to my OB/GYN. My daughter weighed only 3 lbs 4 oz and spent over a month in an incubator. She is now a healthy, happy adult. I am so grateful that I lived in California at the time and had caring physicians. There is so much that can go wrong during.a pregnancy and it is just so cruel to make a family go through this!
I hope your daughter is okay with the fact that throughout the entire process you were willing to choose you 😂
My uncle was supposed to die in the womb. He ended up being born Everything was fine, and he was considered a miracle baby and I’m really glad he’s here. Js.
@@sircasm6578 Show everybody how much of a sociopath you are! Great job!
California seems a sane state and I think Gavin Newsom should run after Joe Biden. Gavin is a friend of Justin. Justin Trudeau, who I have met BTW. I hear ya about your expereince. My brother's wife miscarried between her first and second pregnancy. Around Christmas time, so everyone knew. They now have two girls and a son. In university locally and living at home. And their son (my godson) is on the provincial U-19 basketball team!
@@EB-du3vh Yup. All through the pregnancy for my middle daughter the doctors kept saying she was going to be special needs and we should terminate. She's stunningly beautiful and working on her master's degree right now. No issues whatsoever. ❤️
This starts with people outside abortion clinics yelling at women. How many women decide to never have more children after that experience? I almost did. I felt abused, guilted, ashamed and unworthy of being a mother. This happened to me at 18 and I had my only child at 40 then suffered postpartum anxiety and depression because I felt so guilty. This affected my relationship with my child who is now 17. Please understand the real harm done by these selfish people.
Yes! Yes ! This guilt, it shouldn't be imposed on you. You should be free to take the decision that is good for YOU. Why some people don't get that, is beyond me
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Abortion is NEVER a frivolous or easy choice. It is a hard, hard decision but often necessary. I am so sorry to hear that these cruel unfeeling and narrow minded people affected you so deeply. That is not Christian, in any. form, for people to treat others like that just because they have a different viewpoint.
This seems to only happen in America, honestly Its insane and I'm so grateful I live in a country that has a national health service and I have the right to choose if I want an abortion .
They shouldn't have even been allowed to protest outside abortion clinics. They should have been arrested!! They wanna protest something... Go protest against religious figures s*xually abusing kids!!
This fricken brought me to tears that the parents had to suffer through this. So sorry she had to suffer through this.
This is cruel and unusual punishment. Outrageous!!
Mika is SO angry and shaken by the injustice of it all-you can hear it in her voice and see it in her face. Thank you, ma'am, for presenting this infuriating story.
You can hear her struggling to control her emotions - little sounds of distress and sniffling. This had to have been a very difficult interview for her.
It's heartbreaking enough to know your baby has a fatal disease and will not survive, but to be forced to go through with the birth is even more horrendous. These Republican MONSTERS must be voted out in 2024, or they will continue to strip away all the rights we have fought long and hard for!!
Seriously, and whose the mutant daemon?!
Unfortunately, George Carlin was right when he said that all we’ve ever had in this country are simply temporary privileges. They aren’t rights if they can take them away from you.,😢😢🤬🤬😓😓
I have heard three cases like this, but I know there is lots of others. They should join together at some point and have a class action lawsuit agains the politicians who practice medicine without a liscense or knowledge. I abhor these people.
These 'laws' regarding women's reproductive rights will only become more and more extreme, until they end up banning most or all forms of contraception. They'll say that birth control 'denies a potential living organism the right to a life'. The Powers That Be want to take women back to the dark ages. I fear for women and girls in America.
She'll be traumatized just like I was.
I am so proud that this woman her husband and her care physician came forward and told about the punitive and criminalize reality about these reproductive Healthcare bans in our country thank you
She should sue the state for causing pain and suffering to her and her family.
I'm in tears watching this extremely brave couple telling their story to you and all your viewers. I live in FL and DeSantis needs to be stopped. My prayers go out to this couple and all woman and men.
The best way to STOP the entire heinously disgusting GOP is to NOT VOTE FOR THEM! Vote the GOP OUT!
@@Chillinlikeavillian311 it doesn't change the fact that this woman suffered for absolutely no reason. The baby wasn't going to survive because they didn't even have the needed organs to survive. Regardless if she was pro-life or pro-choice these states with these abortion bans are going to make families suffer especially the women that are going to have to go through all the trauma.
It is heartbreaking.
@Dill Pickle how do you know ANYTHING about what they are going through?
In the last season of Handmaid's Tale a line that rung in my ears... "America wasn't Giliad, until it was!" Facism in it's infancy never comes rolling in on a tank... It comes quietly, slowly wresting away your rights one by one, little by little until there is no one left to stand up for them... I fear for my country we are not trending in the right direction.
I am stealing this quote it's so very good and needs to be stated where so people get the message.
Why cant people see it!
We who are outside of America can see it clearly. You are more like Afghanistan than you think!
It’s incredibly frightening and has begun to make me think we need some alternate means of securing our rights.
UK here. Believe it, it won't end here. They will strip women's rights back until contraception is also banned, or severely restricted so only the very rich can afford them. Even if the vast majority don't want contraception to be banned, it would definitely win support from the ultra conservative religious right, who think men should hold all the power, and women should be stay-at-home mothers.
I'm so glad these people are speaking out. They are so brave, yet it's sad to hear. As the doctor said, this needs to be communicated around our country as to what is happening with our women!
This is absolutely heartbreaking and I sure hope this lady is doing ok 💔
Physicians take un oath to care for their patients. Politicians and Judges have no education, duty, or right to practice medicine.
They cannot follow the hippocratic oath. Good luck finding an Ob doctor five years from now. We already don't have enough OB doctors. Thanks a heep faux GOp unhinged party of fools.
These horrific stories should be broadcast on all news programs DAILY
The propaganda works
@@salortiz6548 If your wife (god forbid you have one) or sister became pregnant with a fetus that would not survive, and caused them to be in agonizing pain, would you not want them to end their suffering in a safe way so that they may begin to heal?
@@MegaRandomunicorn that comment is precisely proving my point. I bet you haven’t read the new law.
Exactly. Forget the airhead Congress” women”. Focus on those impacted by their madness.
The people that force people to go to term on a unviable pregnancy are monsters, pure and simple! Their cruelty is horrific. How heartbreaking. 😢❤
Thank you both for sharing your story. as an OB nurse I have seen families similar to your experience. I understand what you’re talking about. the pain, the suffering & the toll on one’s mental health. Sharing your story might result in a different outcome for another.🙏
Forcing this young woman to endure the mental and phiysical anguish because of someone else's religious beliefs is horrendous. This is the latest form of slavery. Religious freedom? and Religious dominance.
Drama 🥔 🤭
@@donothingMTIAMG Government-forced birthing against a woman's will is not drama. It's oppression of women.
@@RealityMatters343 Murder is murder goofy. 🤗
@@donothingMTIAMG It isn't murder to abort a fetus that isn't even alive yet, goofy. 😊 It's been legal to end a pregnancy in my country (Canada) since, I believe, 2002. It's already been decriminalized in every other Western nation. There have been no laws to regulate ab*rtions since, I believe, 1998. And yet, they're rare here because we have socialized healthcare (which means that even poor people can get birth control).
@@donothingMTIAMG a fetus is not equal to a living breathing human sweetie please have some common sense😊
My neighbor went through this a few years ago. At 5 months pregnant she found out her baby didn't have viable lungs. She decided to carry the baby to term. She said afterwards that it was the absolute worst thing to do. She watched her baby die in her arms within a minute of birth. She went into a terrible depression and totally neglected everyone and everything, including her other 3 children. She wasn't forced to birth her baby, it was her decision, but it still left her totally traumatized. To be forced to go through this is just unimaginably cruel, but that's the point for Republicans these days.
Such a sad and horrible thing. It would have been the hardest decision either way
@@diggerdogadventures976 it's such a personal choice and you don't always know what the right choice would have been until you feel you've made the wrong one. Some people get lucky and the kid was able to live, but it's a small overestimated proportion. There's no easy answer, but only the mother should make an informed decision.
Abortion is not without emotional implications as well, your neighbor should have seen a therapist to help her, that's not a thing you go through on your own if you are having trouble with it, get help.
My cousin did this. She said in hindsight it was traumatic to watch her child die. It took her 10 years to even visit his grave.
It’s actually cruelty to the child to let them go full term to only suffocate to death. Terrible. Had they just terminated the pregnancy there would have been ZERO suffering to the fetus!!!!
it will soon be impossible for doctors to even speak out freely as this doctor is, they will be under threat of having their medical licenses revoked. My heart aches for what this family has had to endure. Vote these cruel politicians out as soon as possible
Family planning should be a family decision.
That’s awful! I feel so bad for that lady! It was cruel to make her have to go through with this. Makes me so mad at Ron DeSantis! And all the other states and governors that are doing this to! This is just wrong.😢
And on top of all her pain, this poor woman will have the financial cost of a birth and all of the medical treatment she needed through those extra months (plus I should imagine a lot of therapy). Right now I am very glad I am British and have the NHS. My heart goes out to this family
Lindsay, do not let your politicians privatize the NHS because you’ll end up struggling to get appropriate care that depends upon insurance companies trying to save money.
She still doesn't have the right to end another humans life.
@@charlenekennell4746Irrelevant
@@charlenekennell4746 Oh, you mean you would rather watch that women suffer in grief KNOWING the baby is going to DIE ANYWAYS??
@@charlenekennell4746 you don't have the right to decide for her
“Children are so important that mothers must birth the dead ones at term!!!!!” Why does this not feel like it’s about kids anymore?
They voted for child labor and marriage, it was never about kids, they’re even trying to ban library systems
What's to stop a patient who did not receive medical care (or their family) from suing the doctor for criminal negligence?
Sadly, those who support these laws don't care about the damage left behind because it has nothing to do with them.
Not only would my grandmother have died nearly 100 years ago without an emergency abortion, my mother would also have died 60 years ago without one. The war on women rages on.
Women are definitely second class citizens in this country. No doubt about it.
@@Jess-kz2wn Name one right a man has that a woman doesn't.
@@rangerman6705 The right to not risk your health being an incubator.
Same here. If my mother had not been able to leave the country to terminate a pregnancy, there was little chance she and the baby would survive. I shudder to think what life would have been like for my sister and me without her. My dad traveled the world, so we would have been left with relatives. That would have been awful.
@@rangerman6705 what part of your body is legislated?
How is this not malpractice? This couple needs to sue their government. This is ridiculous. I feel so bad for them. Unnecessary pain and for what?
This enrages me. The emotional pain she must have felt throughout the pregnancy, and still. I can't even imagine.
Me too Michelle, me too 😡 I just hope voters remember this when they vote. GOP has to go!!
The cruelty ... the cruelty is the point. Whether its abortion restrictions, criminal inaction on misuse of firearms, adding "work requirements" for food stamps while the Fed is openly trying to increase unemployment... the cruelty is obviously the point.
There needs to be a lawsuit filed on behalf of every woman who is harmed by these Republican monsters.
this is torture
Made me cry. For her, her baby and family.
This is the result elect GOP into Power. More Women and families will suffer from this cruel laws. Is it this is what American women want? Only in America.
You might be surprised--even shocked--at the huge number of American women who know absolutely NOTHING about their own bodies and who believe in their own Biblical inferiority. Women who have never opened an anatomy textbook in their lives, who believe science is "icky" and who are 100% complicit in their own oppression.
Could you imagine if they would’ve gotten the house AND the senate?
So true. The only thing I see coming from the Republican extremists is cruelty with the worship of their guns and their diabolic anti-choice laws. They are death worshipers, not "pro-life" at all!
No, many were brainwashed as children by religion....same with males. The old white mans club thrives on spreading lies and religion is the King of lies.
@@teetimewisdom90 they will, but seriously wake up. even if one party did get all 4 levels of power do you think the charade we live in would end? also no one side should ever have total control.
She should be able to sue for negligence bc that’s outrageous what she “had” to do 😮
About 15 years ago I worked as a receptionist in a doctor’s office that only did ultrasounds. On occasion for health reasons a pregnant woman would be advised she should terminated her pregnancy. This is a very difficult thing for a woman to hear especially when she and her partner want to have the baby. We had three religious advisers; a catholic priest, a Jewish rabbi, and a Muslim religious leader on call who would come in to talk to the woman and her partner to explain why terminating a pregnancy in this particular situation would not be considered a sin. The woman could also have her own religious advisers come talk to the doctor about why this was medically necessary. It is heartbreaking enough when your doctor tells you the baby you are carrying will not be able to live once it’s born, but to tell a woman she has no options about it for political reasons is criminal.
Carrying a child she knows can't survive is so extremely cruel. Her mental and emotional well-being were coercively compromised. I don't understand why someone is making this case and suing the state.
Sue them when you are in a better place with the others who have experienced a simlar exerience which are many.
In 2020 my wife found out she was pregnant. Only problem was she had an IUD so it wasn't supposed to happen. For those who don't know, the risk of pregnancy with an IUD is the fetus growing outside of the uterus causing internal bleeding before the woman even knows she's pregnant. We had to have the difficult conversation of possibly terminating the pregnancy and I'm glad it was between only us and our doctor. Luckily it turned out ok and my baby girl turns 2 next month.
There are a lot of things that can go wrong wtih babies. The OB doctors pay high rates for insurance because so many things can go wrong. We have very high infant mortality in a nation of such wealth , we shoud be investigating the reasons. Less OB doctors do not bode where for the future pregnant women.
She is absolutely broken. This is horrible.
That woman needs to be allowed to sue Florida politicians for practicing medicine without a license.
We’re current joking about Desantis fight with Disney: but stories like this is where the true horror his. I’m on verge of tears and major grief for this family
You are not. 🤣
If the legislature didn’t expect these things to happen is exactly why they shouldn’t enact laws regarding womens healthcare issues!!
Exactly!
Old white men should not have a say in our bodies. How would they react if this happened to you and your family? Most would have no sympathy or empathy for your wife
yes. Doctors should deal with women and men in a privacy situation. The politician are all about contol, and power and money which is their god. We are a pagan nation.
The people who crafted and passed said legislation wouldn't care about things like this happening; if they were even aware that this sort of thing was possible (arguable, that's for sure) before passing the legislation, they STILL wouldn't care. The harm to women is half the point of what they're doing.
@@wendydabee Agree. This isn't about children and it's not about protecting women from themselves.
Hard to watch and deeply sad to hear. My heart goes out to all involved. You can even tell how emotionally painful it is for the news host to ask the questions. Pretty sure you can hear sniffling as well as some raw sadness through her voice/mic even when others talk.
Imagine everyone who saw her pregnant belly and congratulated her. How that must have made her feel. I'm so sorry she had to go through that. The loss of a pregnancy is traumatizing enough and now they've traumatized her more by making her carry a baby to term that they all knew wasn't going to make it. She must be going through mental torture right now
The GOP appears to lack an important executive function: foresight and the ability to envision consequences of a decision. I am practically in tears listening to this couple describe their ordeal and their grief. Those tears are also borne of frustration. The politicians and citizens who insist on foisting their beliefs on individuals in our pluralistic society are no different from autocrats everywhere else in the world. The Taliban comes to mind. This must end and democratic freedoms must be preserved.
If you notice some of the right wingers are using straight up tactics from the Taliban. If you read Michael Scheur's ( CIA agent who studied UBL) book he explains that UBL did not want to institute a top down command organization, but his goal was to inspire people to commit these awful acts (ie stochastic terrorism). The current leader of the republican party among others, seems to be throwing gasoline and matches around verbally speaking in hopes of sparking something. It seems potentially very dangerous and little to nothing is being said or done about it. They don't seem to have found a floor for their craziness either, watch in the next few years some jerk is gong to talk about stoning women for adultery. Take us back to the middle ages guys, because a life expectancy of 32 is really what voters want right?
Politicians are not doctors. The Supreme Court should have talked to 1000 OB doctors beforel they reversed Roe vs. Wade. That would have taken time, and it appears they did not do their job protecting women. I have no respect for them. I have respect for the newest Supreme court judge. I way she was questioned was a horrible nasty thing to watch by horrible nasty people, but she did well.
The Handmaid's Tale as well.
That was the goal of this report. Emotional thinkers tend to make decisions without considering logic. They’re easier to manipulate and control.
@Oli G but there are exceptions, and the people did not qualify. Yet they are still alive to tell their story… so yes, it is an emotional ordeal and they take advantage to manipulate you into responding with your feelings.
I would sue the State of Florida and Desantis for emotional distress, depression, anxiety and any other form of medical condition!
Heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing your story.
I’m sorry you had to go through this. I can’t imagine the pain you went through.
Thank you GOP for showing your true colors
Sue the state of Florida for every single hospital and doctor's bill they have to pay after the moment this was diagnosed and they had to continue carrying the baby. Party of life? lol. PARTY OF DEATH
Genuine and heartfelt reporting,Mika 😢
Legislators were told by doctors that these would be the consequences. They thought the doctors were lying, or did not care. If they didn't care then these are the INTENDED consequences.
So woman have to wait until it’s too late for them to do anything. “Come back when it turns septic”