How Finland and Sweden Would Transform NATO’s Military Capabilities | WSJ
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Finland and Sweden are taking steps toward applying for membership of NATO, following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in late February.
If approved, analysts say the move would significantly enhance the bloc’s military capabilities on land, sea and in the air. Illustration: Laura Kammermann
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Remember when people were wondering why NATO still existed, or that NATO was so divided it might as well not exist? There are decades where nothing happens, there are weeks where decades happen. I'm 24, there is probably more history being made in the last two years than the rest of my life combined.
It’s like the idea of having a fire extinguisher or emergency funds. You’ll possibly not need it, but not having it when you need it is inherently worse. Just like the doctrine of MAD, defensive military alliances work to dissuade potential wars.
as a almost 28 y.o i would say the same thing the las 3 years have been historical moments on a global scale.
if Nato ceased to exist, russia prob would not invade
@@sashanksingh6714 There has been a lack of direct confrontation between great powers since 1990, thats what is meant by the saying “there are decades when nothing happens”
@@carval51 The only reason Nato exists is to prevent a Russian invasion.
We should congratulate Russia for being the greatest NATO recruiter. We should dedicate an award for their massive backfire.
Seriously. At the end of the day, they did something good. ~. Depends how you look at it
It could be one step towards WW3 where EU would be wiped out from world map
Right. If Russia, would of done nothing, NATO probably would of broke apart on its own. More and more far right parties in the west were pushing to break away from NATO including the U.S. Until Putin invaded. Putin pretty much reminded the west why we have NATO in the first place.
Yeap, he did something Trump could not: for Europe to remember it needed to take greater ownership of its self-defence and increase its level of deterrence against future aggression. Putin deserves a Nobel Peace Prize more than Obama. 😉
NATO is weak they can't do anything without daddy U.S.
I think the video focused too much on Gotland.. it’s strategic but never been under threat, meanwhile it ignored the fact that Finland has one of the largest artillery forced in Europe and Sweden has Submarines and great airforces and large weapon manufacturing industry..
someone that makes sense thanks mate
Yes russians violate its airspace weekly bro
Really can't wait for Sweden and Finland to join our lovely family. Sweden makes the best weapons and Finland has large military and a history of defeating invading orcs
Finland invaded USSR in ww2 along with germans..
@@slobo8971 And lost.
@@thunder9198 USSR invaded first! Bully.
Too much games of throne
@@slobo8971 the ussr invaded first
Russia managed to play itself by: A) making more border countries want to join NATO B) making Western Europe and most of Eastern Europe beef up military and become more against it. C) Crippling it’s economy by getting sanctions and Europe deciding to ditch its reliance of Russian gas and oil due to its actions. D) Losing political power in various positions. E) Getting the US to help Ukraine.
There's idiots out there saying this is Russia's master plan and that Russia will come back. I don't think so.
Putin played Russia by incurring all those costs to bolster his power at home.
The russian rubble is doing good and Europe needs to spend money on fixing its huge debt problem not military beefing up Also it will take 20 or so years before europe can be fully independent from russian gas
@@buni1934 Plus, I’m sure they’ll find alternatives from Russian gas before this winter 😅 cope HARDER.
No problem . They'll attack anyone who tries to join Nato and just nuke everyone anyone dares to take millitary action against them . They know they can't win conventional war and Putin is someone who don't like to loose . He'll take every measure to ensure his fear is intact among the people of west .
Gotland is in a way Sweden's "unsinkable aircraft carrier" permanently stationed in the Baltic sea. Yeah, it's an island. But isn't that what aircraft carriers are when they have reached their point of operation?
Very fair point
That’s exactly what strategic islands are.
Baltic sea is so small that aircraft carriers would a stupid idea. A waste of naval assets.
As a student of Guadalcanal campaign, yes.
Anti ship and nuclear weapons love static targets!
Gotland has been a point of departure for shared intelligence operations since the 1970s. Like the listening and radar posts on Bornholm, Visby has benefitted both Sweden and NATO during and after the Cold War.
I remember my math teacher telling me about his stint in the military stationed on Gotland, and how Russian/Soviet "fishing boats" would regularly get "engine problems" between Gotland and Stockholm, he told us they started moving again after we told them help was on the way 😅 I dunno what he did exactly, but he learned to read Cyrillic....
@@RaDeus87 He was most likely a sonar operator.
@@OscarSommerbo He also described in detail how to blow up a road: little boom to make a hole (shaped charge / RSV IIRC), fill hole with explosives to make a bigger void underground, fill that hole with lots of explosives, move to a safe distance and watch a good part of that road get spread over a km². I think he might have been a radio operator for the combat engineers or something, and got stationed on Gotland for training or something.
@@RaDeus87 not impossible. I remember KA3 being responsible for listening to the sea. But they also blow stuff up, usually with big honking guns. But his description of ruining a road sounds like a combat engineer. I am quite unsure about the amount of crosstraining that took place in the Swedish military, it could be that he relayed "shop talk" rather than direct knowledge.
if sweden wants to be safe from the russian invasion, they should allow the united states army to build military bases in their northern border and let them have a garrisoned military battalion group presence in that region, if they wanted to be safe from the invasion, i don't think that finland and sweden can potentially hold off the russian invasion on themselves of their own, their numbers of people is not enough to counter the russia's conscript people if russia will ever wanted to invade through the scandinavia peninsula, swedish and finland military technology is not that advanced and strong enough to counter the russian made military technology, if they think they can stop the russian invasion assault on themselves it would be a total false hope, they should stop day dreaming and wake up to the reality, let USA have presence in their countries for protection against russian invasion, if sweden and finland has US army presence within their country, russia will not invade them because russia knows that they are not powerful enough to challenge the military technology might of the united states
Good breakdown of the situation - and thanks for including some maps and not just talking heads! Really helps understand and visualize.
It’s not expansion if you have to apply to join. It’s joining. Expansion is what Russia is doing.
It's not a fraud if victims send you funds with their own hands
@NoYourWrong1 manifest destiny
1+1 = 1 🤣🤣🤣
@NoYourWrong1 nice example of whataboutism
@@docBZA yeah but he's right. China is next after fall of Russia
During this times it is nice to have possibility to mobilize almost cold war era amount of military strength. (War time strength of 280 000 , total reserve of 900 000 ) Good that we have continued with universal conscript system all these years in Finland.
All it takes is one tsar bomba
Yeah those conscripts worked well for the russians huh?
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In Turkey we also keep conscript obligatory military service. We have around 15-20 million reservists who had 12 months Nato standart trainings. We even have nearly 1,5 million reservists who had commando trainings and paratrooping experience.
@@johnhamilton6768 It is a bit different thing to defend your own country and family than have some strange "Special operation" invasion.
Both Finland and Sweden are now NATO members! 😍
Norway: 52 /f-35 Denmark: 27 /f-35 Finland: 62 /f-35 Sweden: 162+ /gripen E/C/D
They are both extremely capable countries, NATO would benefit a lot of course.
Remember, the Swedish make some of the best weapons to date along side Germany’s industry (including iron mining industry).
@@TitanGT_halo117 Yeah. The Swedes make good weapons. But that's only for aslong as swedes actually exist. Without us, no more weapons. So it's too bad we're being replaced by third world migrants and our country is being turned into a frontline for ww3. But yeeeaah! Weapons! War! wohoo!
They are gaining much more than Nato Is. Be stupid not to join with Big brother USA being the backbone of NATO
@Keroseno Finland make Better fighters And Friends
Sweden makes some of the best fighter jets
Russia knows that invading Finland means 10-1 casualty losses. Seeing whats going in in Ukraine Russia won't mess with Finland ever again.
That is assuming Putin and Russia behave rationally. The Ukraine war seems to indicated they may not.
@@MFPhoto1 because you are there? You believe MSM?
@@cbgames3945 European hear, nobody watches MSM and what he said it's right. Wanna deny it?
@@cbgames3945 This report is from the Wall Street Journal, genius. I get my news from a variety of sources. Now then, exactly what is it about the Ukrainian invasion that seems rational to you? I'm waiting.
@@MFPhoto1 also from non mainstream media that is still from west?
Russia: "You should fear us!" *Sweden and Finland apply for NATO membership* "Wait not like that!"
Хорошо!
Sorry but Turkey says NO 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
@@redred2 they actually said yes ;)
More dakka is always appreciated!
"Russia has issued threats" is akin to "Water is wet" at this point.
Misinterpreting...
Nuclear weapons are just water....
@@chw5044 Correction.... you are misinterpreting me. Im saying when is Russia not threatening someone? We know that without it being said, the same way we know water is wet without being told Russias under the false notion they are the Worlds King, and their insecurity has led to a self-brashwashing of being superior.
@@mislavsplitski7522 Unless they have some way to avoid nuclear counterattack, yes.
@@sinpoeanarconna2974 Russia is the problem eh? Of the 240 conflicts around the world since the end of world war 2, the US has been involved in 205 of them. Oh yeah, better watch out for Russia. Please go schedule yourself another round of boosters, buy an Azov t-shirt, and move to a big city.
Sweden has subs that "sank" nimitz class carriers and planes that created the Cobra and intercepted SR 71s. Finland has White Death and his successors.
The biggest mistake anyone could make is assume that because Finland and Sweden have been geopolitically neutral all these decades is assume they're militarily impotent. They may not necessarily start a fight, but you better be sure they'll have the capability to finish it, at the very least carry out some major damage before succumbing.
@@foycur Yes that is what we build our military around, we want to make it hurt so much if someone attacks us that its basically suicide to send soldiers here
Don't forget that Swedish also had capable cheap Jets. like SAAB Griffin.
@@foycur Sweden was powerful in the times of Peter the great
@potatoradio Indeed Finnish and Swedish capabilities compliment each other. Sweden has the Baltic Sea main basin covered. Finns have the narrows of Gulf of Finland blocked. Finnish land forces are ready to slug with Russian army any day. NATO will gain 100% Baltic Sea denial, all 3 Baltic states much more secured, Suwalki gap problem diminished as Sweden offer pass through. All NATO possibilities in north will be enhanced greatly.
Finland and Sweden have now officially applied for Nato Membership
Turkey says no 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
@@redred2 Turkey *seems* to have change its mind since.
@@redred2Turkey said yes to Finland and it I joined Nato 4.4.2023. Sweden is still waiting...
@@redred2 this didn't age well.
This is a good strategic move for NATO and the integration of the Finnish and Swedish armed forces into the NATO command structure will give the alliance unquestioned dominance of the Baltics. However, deploying nuclear weapons in the region would be a mistake. Besides the Swedish people being totally against such a move, Russia has already been isolated (and rightfully so) for their aggressive actions in the Ukraine. Deploying nukes so close to SPB might make the cornered fox snap once and for all.
Good strategic move for Natos interest? Yes. Good strategic move for Sweden or Finland? Dude, what are you smoking?
Mm yes must concur here, launching a nation ending nuclear strike on my home country would be tactical error. I mean if Stockholm gets all messy cause of nuclear annihilation, how then are Natos tanks supposed to traverse the area? So I think I must say that would be a strategic disadvantage to Natos interests.
idi@t. wind
@@abvmoose87 It is a excellent strategic move for Finland AND Sweden. Stop watching Russian TV and Fox News.
Unquestioned dominance won't be for long. Nature has a way of balancing every dominance.
Being a bad neighbour has consequences. Joining an alliance is a smart move when your a neighbour of Russian aggression.
Yes. This is like having a house insurance cover.
ah yes.. so if canada wanted to join an alliance with russia it would be ok? im canadian.. if it were up to me we would not be in NATO or NORAD. its literally why i refused to join the RCAF.. im not dying in an offensive war for nato.
@@notastone4832 NATO's a defensive alliance but ok
@@notastone4832 Glad you didn’t join. You’d make a bad leader
@@choochoo568 bombing Serbia and Libya is defensive? destroying cities and killing civilians by the thousands is defensive?
The Russian tanks would not survive being shot by Nokia 3310's armor penetrating capabilities. More turrets will pop into their airforce
I also heard that you can make 3310's are reusable explosive triggers.
Much better. We need comedy at these dark time.
You people are out of your minds. There will be no amphibious assaults on Russian territory from Finland. You fire one shot at Russia from one NATO troop, and Europe and the US will cease to exist. This is suicidal. If Russia wants to prevent further NATO expansion, it will. In a war between Finland and Russia, a war which NATO is actively provoking by the aforementioned means, Finland has no hope, just as Ukraine had no hope, and now all of Ukraine is facing complete destruction. Further NATO involvement would make the situation worse for Ukraine, or for Finland, in a similar scenario, because further NATO involvement means Ukraine/Finland get nuked first, they not yet being NATO members, and then Russia would re-evaluate the US response, and go from there. What if the choice is either to go to war with Russia or else to not join NATO, not whether to go to war with Russia with NATO or else to go to war with Russia all alone, as they seem to imagine is the case right now, probably because someone in NATO is fantasizing about missile defense radars on the Finland-Russia border, payed for by billions of dollars of someone else's money, which will ultimately only further accelerate runaway inflation, which may soon cause the collapse of numerous western governments and the break-up of NATO, within just a few years or so, unless Russia decides to go easy on European economies, nevermind what happens if China severs all trade with the West too/
@Captain Obvious schysss! Russia may upgrade their tanks with their supirior cpu instead of dishwasher cpus. And snake game would increase their morale…
Nokia 3310 Лучший!!! ))
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Finland’s been attacked them before. Don’t blame them for asking to join
After WW2 the Russians basically owned the Baltic sea. Finland and Sweden joining NATO would suddenly make the Baltic a NATO lake. Having a couple of NATO bases in Sweden and Finland would force Russia to base a lot of military assets in the area, pulling forces away from any adventures Russia wanted to engage in in the South.
Unfortunately both countries have made it clear they don't want any new NATO bases, this move is much more a guarantee of peace as a deterrent from a more unified EU.
@@jasongarry8222 There wouldn't be NATO bases coming, regardless of what Finland and Sweden wanted. Most of East European, former Eastern Bloc countries really wanted NATO bases with American presence, but they were in extremely short supply. It's a giant investment and running expense for any country to found a military base out there. The USA rather wanted to cut down the costs in Europe in favour of Asia. Finland and Sweden have believable militaries of their own, so why would anyone see the need for new bases? As a Finn I'd love to see a huge NATO base appear in Finland, bringing lots of money to the local region, but it's not going to happen, no way. More realistically I'd appreciate an advanced air defence system installation from a bigger NATO country to be located in Finland, but even that wouldn't happen, I strongly believe. Instead Finland would be tasked with sending fighter jets to patrol the Baltic region. That's okay, I have got nothing against it, but the point is that Finland and Sweden will be expected to provide, not receive.
@@jasongarry8222 There's nothing unfortunate about that. Norway and Denmark don't have any NATO bases either; there's simply no need for them. The combined air and naval powers of the four biggest Nordic countries should be enough to ensure full air and sea superiority against anything Russia realistically can be expected to deploy in the region. Add Poland, the Baltic states and the German navy and it's not even a contest. On land, the Nordic armies may or may not be strong enough to withstand a massive Russian attack in the long run but they certainly can hold out for more than long enough for reinforcements to be shipped in.
@@herrakaarme Good, it's high time the "little boys started to put on their big boy pants". Trump said NATO is basically obsolete anyway, and there is very little support for it here in the USA, as with the UN. Particularly so in the ascendant Republican party. I see U.S. membership in both disappearing soon, as more countries like these take responsibilities for their own defense and pay for that themselves. It's your country, defend it; you have nothing we really need or want! So, to sum up, we are tired of protecting these NATO countries and getting no respect, even for our historical actions there, many USA polls, of both parties show that. Many in E.U. won't buy our automobiles for example. We say, "what's in it for us", certainly as our tax money flows only one way now, toward NATO and U.N.. We are not "made of endless money", there is a limit to what we can do, regardless of those currently in charge of that, the Democrat controlled House of Representatives. If there is war, we'll take care of the aggressor ourselves, we don't need any help if they come here. Currently, we have our own "invasion" problems on our southern border to deal with! And we'll get back to that next year, after we take the Congress and impeach President Biden, and some of his Cabinet!! :D
@@franknordbergno Good! Now we are talking!
Would Finland's (and Sweden's) NATO membership end any Northern Atlantic transport routes around, or between nuetral counties south of the Artic Circle? Would Russia's Atlantic access become more dependent on the Black Sea and Ukraine? Or is the intent to essentially leave Russia landlocked as far as the Atlantic is concerned?
Russia wouldn't have any problems gaining access to any body of water it chose if it didn't invade it's neighbors. At the moment, Sweden and Finland changes nothing for Russia's access to the Atlantic. Only if Russia decides to attack a NATO member will this cause any disruption.
I honestly don't fully understand your question. If you are refering to times NATO and Russia is not at war this has no effect on Russia's trade with other nations, both in the Baltic, northern and black seas there are no hinders for Russian trade ships regardless of which countries are in NATO. If the 2 sides were to go to war Russia's naval capabilities are laughably inadequate to do anything, regardless of Finland and Sweden being in NATO or not. If there was a war Russia's ports would all be effectively blockaded.
@Harold Rhodes NATO is all about freedom of the seas. Russian ships are free to travel to and from any banana republic still wanting to do business with Russia.
@@kimmoj2570 You mean China?
@@haroldrhodes2610 They can trade what they desire. Notice, there is no natural gas pipelines from Yamal to China. Its loonng way. They would had to first build them. Really nice upfront cost for them. In addition, Nordstream 2 is rusting on bottom of Baltic Sea till end if times, useless. Gas business has its downfalls.
Finland and Sweden see that Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia are under the NATO umbrella and see that there is almost no chance those small nations are likely to be invaded by Russia.
Not "almost no chance". The NATO pact says "The other NATO members WILL show up. On the double. In full force". If you invade a NATO member.... you invade NATO. So the chance of Russia invading the Baltics is exactly the same as Russia invading Germany, the UK or the US.
There is almost no chance those small nations are likely to be invaded by Russia,.but there is almost 100 % chance those small nations are likely to be invaded by USA.
Baltic ppl are very wise.
Russia respects ONE thing... power. Like all bullies.
Kaliningrads ability to any offensive moves would be ended by FIN+SWE joining NATO. Kaliningrad will be in defensive mode, hoping to survive even 1 month in time of crisis. SWE can easily dominate Baltic Sea proper when their south/east flanks are protected by other NATO members. Swedes have submarine fleet in addition to strong air force. Finland would contribute by closing narrows of Gulf of Finland. Not a one Russian ship would cross Baltic Sea from St Petersburg - Kaliningrad in time of crisis.
Just like in the old days!
if nato attack kaliningrad russia will turn entire Europe upside down.
Ignorant
Hm.. I'm just wondering why you are so aggressive on Russia?🤔
Don't be so naive. Russia will move Iskander and sarmat missiles to kalingrad😭😭🙏
Everyone seems so giddy and happy about this. The fact is, for us in Sweden and Finland, this is not a happy moment. We have stayed out of alliances, because we have believed there was another way, and for a long time, we have managed to live side by side with Russia, and the Soviet union before that. We have not much love for Russia, but we do have a lot of respect for the power they wield. And Russia has, respected our sovereignity and our integrity. Well this changed when Russia invaded ukraine and, importantly, when Russia started to make threats and demands as to our dealings with NATO. This is not a happy day for us. It is a tragedy for us and all with us who believed that peace and mutual respect between nations was the better option for the future of humanity. We do not want war with Russia. We have fought with Russia in countless wars for centuries. We must deal with the fact that Russia will never go away. They are the unruly, scary neighbour we must learn to live with. NATO membership seems unevitable for us now, but it will sour our relations with Russia for generations to come. It is a step backwards, to a time when war loomed over us at every moment. This was not what we wanted, but it is what we must do. And I do not feel the last bit safer today than I did yesterday.
New World Order wants you under one world government and don't think for a second NATO will not be the hammer used on us all to make sure we obey who ever they put in charge to be the head dictator . A hand full of corporations getting the sheep ready to be slaves. The end of nations that stood for thousands of years.
It's not the end, Both your countries will join but they'll never hold Nato Nukes or bases. There might come some new guidelines and red lines that Russia and it's neighbors should never cross but it is unfortunate. You guys made the bet! I don't see this time worse then Cold War that was a beast of its own when USSR and USA were at it. Today's Russia isn't as strong but I personally think this decision was just a political one but Europe needs to be carefully coz they'll be blown to pieces if they're not. ALL these tactical advantages don't mean nothing when you corner a great power and they feel like it's an existential threat it'd be bye bye then, there should always a room for diplomacy but it seems like none wants it.
I think people are “happy” because it makes everyone safer. It’s a bit like living next door to a serial killer who’s already killed your other neighbour and he’s telling you to not call the police or you’ll be next.
@@selbalamir usually people make really dumb analogies but that one was actually pretty good.
It's giddy/happy just in the context of the godawful, utterly unjust suffering in Ukraine. It's almost relief that Russia finally dropped the act. Believe me, we're not happy knowing the danger that Finland and Sweden are in. It's just relief that it's finally been acknowledged. At last, all cards are on the table, and we can finally openly say that we've got your back. I think you are safer -- it feels counterintuitive that standing up to a bully makes one safer, but that's because you are a civilized person. Putin is a bully, and bullies turn the rules of civilized engagement upside down. Being calm and trying to negotiate is, to them, provocation.
Watching in 2024 shortly after Sweden officially joined Nato
Lol Putin, it is literally your fault for scaring your neighbours so much of russia so that they would join NATO. Congratulations! I'm happy to have Finland and Sweden on our side, they are very brave and tough people.
As a swede I am very grateful if Nato let us join.
Ja men jävla Erdogan vill inte det
You're gonna get bombed
Why is that?
As a Turk probably Turkey will block your membership to the end because of your support to kurdish seperatist terorism against Turkey.
if you want to die needlessly it's okay, but if you drag the whole population it's horrific. just because your Government worry of 'regime change' if he does not join NATO. no different to Zelensky 'a puppet'. take a good look at Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia the list goes on. good luck !
cheers to the fins & sweeds, good people, great military, together we stand...
Yes, and we like the Finns and Swedes as well !! ;D
Too bad Fins never got a say, a referendum was possible but the government went actively against one. Fins are already protesting but let's not report it, it's not the democracy that the NATO wants to hear about.
@@Alpenmilch Nope, "democracy" is very hard to find in a Socialist-run country; now ask Americans today about that, under the Joe Biden administration!! ;D
We only ever wanted to live in peace as an independent nation. No matter the cost. Whether it's assassinating Russian governors, calling in aid from Germany, giving in to Soviet demands or joining EU and NATO... Our independence is the most precious thing. It's worth living and dying for.
Then why join NATO when Russia is at war to stop nato expansion? It’s counterproductive
I am american and russian citizen traveled recently from Russia to US through 3 borders - Russia, Finland and US They didn't ask me questions about Ukraine. All of them asked me about how are things in Russia and how my parents doing It was so special to me after all the hate to Russia I experienced lately on social media Thank you!!!
I think it needs to be made more clear that the problem is the Russian government, not the Russian people. I know a guy from Russia and he’s pretty nice
@@andrewreynolds4949 Thank you! Absolutely agree!
@@andrewreynolds4949 i don't even think it is the government. It might just be putin
@@pickysaw Putin is the head of it yes, but there are plenty of crooked people under his leadership
@@andrewreynolds4949You really are simpleminded
It's interesting how Putin and the Russian people for the most part are a very nervous, anxious and brutal society. And like North Korea they don't understand how good they could have it. Russia could be a vacation capital. with 11 time zones there would be plenty to see and do. Just the Wilderness camping, hiking, rafting and climbing would be a billions of dollars industry. There would be a shortage of people to fill thousands of good paying jobs. But instead they want to be surrounded by countries united in their stand against Russia making them more and more isolated from the rest of the world. I mean that's not normal! I guess it's just decades of being told the West is the boogie man and he's coming to get us!
Absolutely, even just one week before invasion, Ukrainians on street interviews were not expecting a full war because "Russia and Ukraine are sibling countries". They could still handle all these things without initiating a war, and now whole issue is a turmoil.
The West is after Russia. They've said it publicly and are demonstrating it in Ukraine, Finland and Sweden. Are you aware of Russia's history in the 1990s? They liberalized their markets and listened to Western economists, but they didn't get the promised paradise. Instead, they saw a massive recession in 1998. What was NATO's reaction to their newfound ally's plight? They assaulted Russia's close ally, Yugoslavia and expanded closer to Russia's borders. They didn't do this because Russia was dangerous. They did it because Russia wasn't. That's why the Russian people changed their outlook. Would they like tourism and nice things? Of course. Would they sacrifice their sovereignty for it? No. They know no matter what they do, NATO will continue to expand and portray Russia as the bad guys.
@@scepticsquirrel You can totally forget about any of that now. Russia is done on the world stage and never will be forgiven or trusted by Ukraine.
its because Russia think they are entitled to own all of europe, they think europe *IS* Russia and anyone who says otherwise is a nazi and need to die.
Such a nice take to end it with a joke about "resources on human development in Russia".
Boy that Putin really screwed up. Man. What was he thinking.
One complicated area is also Suursaari with its Russian military presence near Gulf of Finland. Submarines particular. Gotland is strategically important area at Blatic Sea for sure.
Have they learnt from Kursk?
I’m so sick of Russia
May be you should go outside sometimes 😉
yes im so sick of the hypocritical west
@@CaptainKahra which part? The parts you use every single day to live? Like autos? Computers? Its a lot of parts to hate.
Russia: I will scare them into not joining NATO 💪 Sweden and Finland: Joining NATO at record speed Russia: 🤡
Russia has the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world. Why do you want to die?
Hope Facebook translate this. Min tro är att Putin har oss precis, där han vill. Han vet att Sverige och Finland är två fredliga länder, som aldrig skulle anfalla Ryssland. Och att vi inte vill ha kärnvapen eller Natobaser,i fredstider på våra marker. Så det spelar egentligen ingen roll för Putin,,om vi är med I Nato eller inte. Då han inte har några planer att anfalla oss i dagsläget. Utan vi förblr en säker zon mellan Ryssland och Nato. Läget i norr blir ännu stabilare. Eftersom vi alla kommer känna oss tryggare. Och Putin vinner på det ochså.
Thank you for this video! Russia has always been the "aggressor" through out it`s history. Finland learned it the hard way at Winter War and the Continuation War when we were totally left alone to fight against Russia. Big talks from the West but zero military help. So we had to stay neutral in order to survive and live in peace. The Russian "terror" has continued since WWII until today. Always demands and threats against Finland. I want to thank you/everybody for your support to Sweden and Finland to join NATO!
I don't know but the jas 39 gryphon i believe in it, the archer artilelry system, and the 20 different robot syestems i believe in.
The idea that somehow russia could go to war with norway and denmark while sweden and finland sit and watch is silly... sweden and finland were always on our team, now its just on paper
Yup
Does anyone know the location of 1:02? it looks amazing, I would like to visit that place.
Visby, Gotland.
It is beutiful! My hometown were people love nature and the island and were my family still lives! Now in completely different military perspective..
Sweden and Finland become NATO is greatly 👍👍😎
*Decades after Russia took over Gotland* Swedish prime minister: "Gotland was once part of Sweden. We are simply taking it back". Putin: 👀
You know back in 1800,s they occupate gotland in 2-3 veeks, then they were forced out of the iisland
The region of Kexholm is Swedish until the end of times, according to treaties. Sweden should simply take it back.
Wow, people are already substantiating NATO aggression before Sweden is a member.
@@xianseah4847 yes, Russia must stop aggreviate Sweden NOW if they know what's good for them.
188 of 200 MPs just voted YES for applying NATO membership. It will be handed on Brussels tonigh or tomorrow. Propably simultaneously with Sweden.
They announced that it would happen Wednesday, and they would both be applying together. It is a glorious day for NATO!!!
12 MPs did not pass the vibe check
If the US really wanted to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, the US would break up with NATO forever. In 1991, when the USSR collapsed, the Russians dissolved the Warsaw Pact. However, NATO was not dissolved. It was the opposite. NATO grew in power, in territorial extension and in the number of allied countries. In this war Mr. Putin is DEFENDING his homeland. Mr. Putin is fighting today against only ONE Country (Ukraine), cuz if he doesn't fight Ukraine today, then tomorrow he will have to fight against 30 countries that make up NATO. At the end of WWII, NATO had 8 allied countries. During the height of the Cold War, NATO already had 14 countries in total. Today, when the USSR and Communism no longer exists, there are 30. Just in case we all forgot. Mr. Zelensky was a television Comedian who won the Presidency of Ukraine thanks to Mr. Petro Poroshenko (this one of great academic and political merit), was ridiculed for the Parodies that Mr. Zelensky made on TV. And why didn't Mr. Poroshenko stop these taunts and slanders against him? Answer: Cuz Mr. Poroshenko did not want to "Affect" the Freedom of Expression in Ukraine. Well... Already as President, Mr. Zelensky dazzled by the proposals of the International Monetary Fund (Headquarters in Washington, DC), in which he would be filled with money if he agreed to join NATO, it was easy for him to challenge the power of Russia. Today Mr. Zelensky is ALONE and friendless. Mr. Zelensky faces Mr. Putin in absolute solitude. What does Mr. Putin want? Answer: Russia cannot allow a NATO Military Base on its immediate border. What does the United States want? Answer: The US has almost 800 Military Bases spread all over the world, and they need another 800 more Bases, to subsume Russia. That is what the US wants: Subsume Russia. But... BUT, the US will not enter a war to defend Mr. Zelensky, cuz China would side with Russia. End of history and possibly end of the United States. Governing a country is serious business. A country cannot be Governed by a TV Comedian. Finally, for the US the issue of its National Security is something non-negotiable. (The Pentagon is PARANOID on this point). However, this same Right to Defend Itself, US is denied to Russia and it is also denied to all the countries of the world. No one in the world can pose a threat to the US, but in reality, the US is a real threat to everyone. Now, Read the words of Mr. Vladimir Putin: “Russia has always advocated for the creation of a system of equal and indivisible Security. A system that is vital for the entire world community. In December last year (in 2019), we proposed to conclude an agreement on Security Guarantees. Russia called on the West to an honest dialogue to search for reasonable compromise solutions. To take into account each other's interests (US-Europe/Russia). All in vain. The NATO/US countries did not want to hear us, which means that in fact they had completely different plans from the beginning… And we saw it”.
Love Finland and Sweden
I live in Norway and naturally support NATO, Sweden and Finland and their memberships in that organisation. However, it doesn't matter how much hurt and weakened the bear in the east is, they still have thousands of nukes and therefore needs to be respected in that regard. The idea that we can provoke and do whatever we want because we are so much stronger than Russia in every way, becomes null and void when we have people we care about, the survival of humanity and everything on the line. We need to be strong, but at the same time work for peace and stability.
I suppose we, your neighbors, does not join NATO to defeat Russia as much as being left alone not suffering the same potential fate Ukraine did. I, as a swed, would support one last match on Moscow, but peace is always preferred.
----> ''You Were Lied About:'' is the name of the folder in my playlist, watch from the 24th video onwards to better understand the Swedish/Finn situation. Thank you.
Go away Russian bot.
Thousands of nukes don't mean nothing when you only have hundreds of launching platforms & silos. Don't fear the man who has more ammo in his pouches simply on the fact you both have guns pointed at each other, you'll both simply kill each in the instant before he even reloads.
@@tristanbackup2536 Hundreds is more than enough to end humanity. They've also got subs and ships that can send off missiles. If you push a wounded and scared animal into a corner, it will attack.
The Fnglish stoidi (right/left) declared war on Finnland eighty years ago !
The Supercarrier Gotland! Everyone wants a piece of it! 💛💙💛💙💛💙💛💙
Velkommen i klubben
Yeah. Everybody wants a piece of Sweden and swedes. Soon there will be nothing left of us.
Finland & Sweden's values align better with NATO than several countries who are already members. Some member states have drifted into authoritarianism and ethno-nationalism with immigration being the most divisive issue.
Like Turkey, Hungry and Poland.
@@wsmcke I'm from Poland and what is happening is sad. Opposite party might not win in next elections as our national tv is the same as Russia channel 1. Country starts to be run like Russia with suppression of judges and prosecutors being ciosem by some part man only difference is they don't like Putin.
turkey is the #order66 member... erdohan not the conscripts
@@wsmcke Correction; like Turkey
@@wsmcke What shall Poland do? Let hundreds of thousands of Syrians and Afghans into their land in just 2 years like our government did, and be destabilized and divided? Instead, while Turkey is dragged into political polarization and catalyzed xenophobia, they used their refugeé hosting capability for a much needed situation, Russo-Ukrainian War.
This aged very well.
Finland and Sweden are together the strongest military powers in Europe after Great Britain and France. Combining the military power of these states with NATO will increase NATO's northern military power very much. Turkey opposes, but we don't need Turkey for anything.
I think this is great news! For Finland. For Sweden. And for the rest of NATO!
Russia enters Sweden. (pkk terrorist = sweden)
This is just political point scoring neither Russia will have any problem with it nor US or EU but if Nato countries try to change the rules of game by making Bases near Russian borders or have nuclear weapons there then it'd be GAME OVER for all parties involved.
Alliances were NOT a cause of WWI.
@@mislavsplitski7522 Alliances WOULD have prevented WWII.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor Exactly! Had Poland been allied with England and France, the Germans would never have invaded.😉
finland and sweden have been working together with nato but they were always neutral...now russia war has made finland and sweden join nato wow we are all shocked they joined nato even after working with nato for years.
terrorists take shelter in your country and you do not surrender Turkey does not view Sweden and Finland positively
Working together with NATO but neutral. 🤣
@@thehawkseye3412 Non-aligned. Finland and Sweden have not been neutral since joining the EU in 1995.
the ad before this video was so creative that i watched a get money quick scheme ad fully for the 1st time.in years. I wish i could see what other people comments about it. Should youtube add comments for adds?
The northern land by the Russian area were part of Finland ) Petsamo) stolen in 1940.
Putin has done a great job strengthening NATO and is an excellent salesman for NATO. Putin is also excellent at thinning his military equipment and soldiers. He just has to get a lot more soldiers and equipment to put up next to Finland and Sweden now. It will be more difficult financially and also trying to get the parts. They need to remember to do routine maintenance on the equipment this time.
Whatever
Yet Russian nukes are pretty well maintaned. They have an average of at least 30 ready-to-go H bombs for each European Nato member.
@@Dan5482 I guess if they can't get anything else right, they will always threaten.
@@Dan5482 How do we know they are?
@@Dan5482 russia has at least 1000 or more like about 1200 nukes aimed at it by US/Nato forces ..
Ini adalah kesempatan dan waktu yang paling tepat bagi finlandia dan swedia bergabung dengan NATO. Karena rusia tidak akan berani menyerang ukraina finlandia dan swedia. Apalagi saat ini alutsista militer rusia sudah banyak yang dihancurkan oleh militer ukraina, sehingga tentu rusia akan kesulitan jika harus berperang dengan finlandia dan swedia.
Everyone seems to ignore what happen in Ukraine during Stalin Famine. Everyone just talk about NATO but Its more then just that. Its about Freedom.
if it's about freedom why us troops are still in irak and syria. why palestine is still occupied, why lybia, afghanistan were destroyed. it was never about freedom. it's about europeans greed.
@@aladin7339 When you ask why Palestine is still occupied, you mean why Israel still exists?
It's on!
It's perfect you decide it's your country if you want to protect your country it's all excellent business honor for Finland Thank you, President, of Finland and Sweden,👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Putin: Best NATO membership salesman of the century.
”In NATO, diversity is our strength”
Longer version please…
5:16 The final sentence was cut short: "... [Pootin's] messaging that NATO is scary so that he can divert resources from human development in Russia towards military [CORRUPTION]."
Speaking of corruption... How about them Ukraine gas companies with all the American Politicians working for them. Hunter Biden??
How will this impact superyacht development?
@@cbgames3945 Speaking of corruption -------------- LYING trolls.
As a strategist, Putin is as smart as a bag of hammers.
maybe this is why west isn't assassinating putin, with same reason with hitler: they are both bad military commanders
As a box full of rock..
If you where a strategist, you would not say that.
@@rovhalt6650 Putin doubled Russia's border with NATO. Putin is a clown.
@@terrencekane8203 If he hadn't taken Ukraine it would have belonged to NATO.
The contributions of people in the comment section is mature, sober, fair and educative. Keep up. Let's enlighten each other.
This is good for everyone, politically, economically, for security… (except Russia)
It's terrible for those who want peace.
Tell your leader to stay home and maybe we can talk peace ☮️
@@AgentXRifle That's already been done. Ukraine signed a peace deal in 2015 and never implemented it.
@@hermanwooster8944 there has never been peace throughout all of human history. A strong NATO is the best way to keep peace with foreign aggressors
@@algorhythmic3904 NATO has a history of arming jihadists and other extremists. They are employing classic empire tactics - destroy the rest of the world to keep your tiny sphere in tact. That works for a time, but later on when you're weak the barbarians outside the gates will remember. It's a bad longterm strategy for peace precisely for that reason.
Finland and and Sweden please help Ukraine. If Ukraine win you will be safe. Donate Ukraine or find other ways to help! We will win together❤
While we provide a safe harbour for all refugees, we are holding onto everything that can be needed during these months until we safemly are part of NATO
@@TheMursk Great! Thank you!🤝
Finland and Sweden are donating a lot of equipment, guns, ammo, and monetary help for Ukraine. We are also making it easy for Ukrainean refugees to live in our countries and apply for work while here. As an individual I donated the biggest amount I have ever donated to anywhere to help Ukrainean children and mothers who are in Ukraine. Slava Ukraini!
@@karirytkonen1321 you are our HERO!
Urkaine is Russian, now cope
Makes you question the purpose of war. Why can't we respect national borders and improve commercial opportunities. I don't think NATO creates a worse Russia.
Some countries gotta sell their money
@@KTO_HUBLOT no idea what that means.
@Democratsgetting smokedinNovember and?
WSJ didn't take russian inner politics into account. Russian court politics have always been very cutthroat, invading Ukraine seemed to backfire in so many ways that I doubt it was a long term planned at all. Could be just Putin seeking to gain a military victory under his belt before his old age forces him to retire. The fact the 15 years of russian economy development and increasing EU's dependency on Russia is now in shambles is another proof of this. These types of short-sighted war adventurism decisions make Russia an unpredictable and unreliable neighbour.
If your IQ was above 5 you would realize that NATO is the root of the problem.
We need NATO’s defensive alliance. I’m happy to see it’s going to include Finland and Sweden. We can’t turn back the clock and be isolationists again.
NATO isn't defensive.
And Russia is? 😂
@@AgentXRifle All nations have offensive and defensive capabilities, but the topic is whether NATO is a defensive alliance. It is not.
@@hermanwooster8944 Why do you think that, Nato has only attacked a country once I believe being afganistan only after America was literally attacked. NATO is defensive.
@@galacticbananastopmotions7292 NATO attacked Libya & Yugoslavia without being attacked. NATO forces even bombed the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia. They later "apologized" and claimed they had incorrect maps of the area - a farcical claim China has rejected. Both wars saw high corruption among NATO forces. I wish NATO was defensive, but the facts demonstrate otherwise. The temptation of being an empire is apparently too great.
Me running 🏃🏻♂️ to the comments to see what the Commanders and Warlords of KZhead have to say...
Swedish and Finnish national flags are so similar. Love from japan
A lot of the baltic flags have crosses in them, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and others.
@@galacticbananastopmotions7292Baltic countries are: Estonia 🇪🇪 Latvia 🇱🇻 and Lithuania 🇱🇹 Nordic countries are Finland 🇫🇮 Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸.
@@butterflies655 yeah sorry about that lol, i forgot the official names and just stated the countrys around the baltic sea. Again sorry about that lol.
Sweden and Finland onto NATO brothers. Putin has “played” himself well. 🇵🇱🤝🇫🇮🇸🇪
Russia enters Sweden. (pkk terrorist = sweden)
Typical polak lol
Thanks Polish friend
Oh yeah, those 40,000 combined troops really going to make a difference. Especially, when Belarus can simply join Russia and add 155,000. Further, Russia can never lose a war, for the same reason the US can never lose a war (or India, or China, or Pakistan) - known as nuclear weapons. Or did you want to die?
@thetimekillerx You are simply brain-washed. Believing the military who has rampantly murdered civilians through the middle east for the last 3 decades, will not do as told, is daydreaming. The US has been the only country sick enough to have used nukes. Yet, here you are pretending they wouldn't ever do it again. Dare to dream, as the US psychopaths push for a conflict that will only end with nukes. While their EU puppets willingly march along for hollow wealth they won't be able to spend when dead.
Gotland was once known as Geatland and home to my ancient ancestors, the Geats. The modern day Sir name of Marriott and Merritt go back to Margeat and then to Geat. As they migrated out of Geatland into what became Normandy, The name evolved as the Normans moved into Great Britain .
May have taken a year but Sweden and Finland are finally here ❤
As Putin has not yet realised, Russia's Baltic Fleet is about to become a very expensive, and completely pointless, target. Mainly because the Baltic Sea is about to become a NATO lake, wherein no unmonitored Russia fleet movement is possible.
keep dreaming
@@nabiabi3991 keep crying
As if they could ever move without nato/sweden knowing
Finland and Sweden have some of the most decent people. Love both the countries they will add a lot of useful military strength. Putin is unhinged!
❤❤❤ toghether
Una novità che può fare la differenza!
Turkey/Hungary would probably veto them at first. They'd probably want economic deals or F-35s
I doubt so, that would be very short sighted.
It might be time to expel Turkey since (a) they're barely in Europe, and (b) they arguably don't qualify under the freedom and democracy requirements.
@@Hazzelnot94 Turkey already did as Turkey is literally an invader themselves who occupied huge part of Cyprus.
@@universalspaceexpeditioner8259 There is no occupation. Greeks attacked turkish civilians and we have to do protect our citizens.
@@enesmelih6132 We stand with Greece against turks!
Russia’s always that whining kid who creates a mess then blames everyone else for it
"Russia is the guy who keeps walking towards you while yelling at you to back off"
Don't want more NATO? Don't provoke nations who can very easily become NATO members. Simple.
I would like to see this video revisited, now that Sweden in Finland have had their applications accepted. Now all that is needed is to have the various congresses and parliaments to ratify it....
After Ukraine these threats by the Russians are empty. They have wasted a tremendous amount of resources hardware for months to gain nothing. The biggest threat is their nuclear capability but having allies surrounding one of their biggest launch sites and NATO's ability to strike faster should make Putin think twice.
History is in the making! What a time to be alive
What you just said it's what putin feared and the launch sites being surrounded by NATO bases makes Me think they will use it to threaten Russia and make them do what they want.
With country of size like Finland n Sweden joining NATO, no doubt it would bring more positive than negative impact, enhancing its defensive capability and military strength. It is definitely a good addition for NATO overall. 👮🏾♂💂🏾♂👨🏾✈️
Lets hope theirs no more attacks....
As Russia ain’t far behind when it comes to EW,NATO should buff its EW capabilities.The scarier NATO is,the better it can deal with bullies.
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Ух ты какой
F Nazis in Ukraine
@@KTO_HUBLOT SLAVA UKRAINE🙏❤🙏❤🙏
NATO should ensure temporary protection of Finland and Sweden until they can join NATO given the circumstances of what happened in Ukraine. It should be publicly known to Putin that should he decide to invade either of those countries, NATO will declare war on Russia.
Or they just dont join nato and there would be no problem. This entire clip was about how nato will protect sweden and finland from russian invasion. But to me it looked more like an nato attack plan on how to deal with russia. Nato are the agressors allways has been allways will be. Prove me wrong
@@dennisqh4608 prove you wrong? Russia attacked Ukraine 🫱 🎤
I believe UK Norway and Iceland have already agreed to this arrangement
@@BimmerWon do you want a list of countries invaded by nato members? It's very long. To boycott russia for invading ukraine while being ok with natos aggressions is nothing but hypocrasy and propaganda.
Well...Sweden and Finland themselves have a formidable military.
This aged well
Excellent presention
Now they just need to figure out how to pressure Turkey to not veto...
It's very simple. Stop funding, sending weapons, supporting, and housing terrorists.
Putin is the biggest blessing for NATO
@Jadasa Tara ruski bot got a new job eh?
or NATO for Putin sir.
@@sachin2842 yes for his dictatorial mafia but certainly not for Russian average people.
@@armenstaubach9276 dude democracy isn't superior have some equal respect for their system too, our elected leaders are corrupt to the teeth too..
@@sachin2842 arguably all governments are corrupt , but life in North America is by far better than most of the world; I’ve visited +15 countries from different continents and I still rather to live in Canada or USA. Don’t believe me, ask all the young educated Chinese or Russians that have moved to US or Canada. This can go on and in, but most people want to live in USA and it’s allies; most people don’t like to live in countries that are fighting with USA unless you are part of the system, like Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, iran and so on…
Wrong move , they just signed their death warrant
*"In chess, the pawns go first."* 💥
Russia went first, so that checks out.